NHS **** you

mattyg said:
But their shouldn't be a budget on medicine.

You can guarantee that, That care trust has wasted over £37k each and every year on crap of some sort or another.

I've had dealings with local councils and PCT's and the amount of money they can waste is staggering
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we do not have unlimited resources, we cannot afford everything...
 
37k on treating one person or 37k on a doctor or nurse that will look after hundreds. It's pure economics, you only have so much money to go around.
 
Sorry to hear this and is a horrible position to be in.

But what has this got to do with budget? It's a trial, assume it's got a license as you can buy it. So it must be how effective it is. Not much point giving it to everyone without knowing effectiveness. Trials full and when NHS gets results they'll decide if it's worth it.
 
ColdAsIce said:
The economics never seem to come into play when having to deal with the junkies and the scum though eh? :/
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Well they do because some people feel it's worth investing in junkies to try and re-assimilate them into society, as it's cheaper in the long run than letting them rob people and leech from the health system for thirty more years.
 
Minstadave said:
37k on treating one person or 37k on a doctor or nurse that will look after hundreds. It's pure economics, you only have so much money to go around.
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Exactly, i think in these situations it can be hard to think of it in this way though. All you care about would be getting treatment for the person you know rather than looking at things objectively. I'm sure had they given this to your dad rather that to someone else who may have responded to the treatment more successfully we'd have someone else complaining that your dad got the good stuff and they were being screwed however.

Theres obviously a reason for refusing other treatments, most likely down to the different type of cancers so to suggest self funding a particular type of treatment could be a complete waste of money for you.
 
I'd guess you could look into appealing the decision with your PCT (more direct than your MP etc). There should be some good stuff on the Googles about it.
 
Robbie G said:
Well they do because some people feel it's worth investing in junkies to try and re-assimilate them into society, as it's cheaper in the long run than letting them rob people and leech from the health system for thirty more years.
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Ha. Hahaha. Hahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.....

Ah you're funny!
 
Sorry to hear about your pops missing the trial. Thought about contacting your GP to see if they know of any other drugs in the pipeline which they need a guinea pigs for?
 
I implore you all to watch this BBC documentary, its about this sort of topic and shows the NHS/PCT side as well as the human side. They don't take these decisions lightly.

The Price of Life

On a finite budget, the NHS cannot afford to offer every treatment on the market, so how is it decided which medications should be made available?

Award-winning director Adam Wishart follows the nail-biting decision about one drug, with unprecedented access to decision-makers the National Institute for Health and Clinical Excellence, the patients who need a life-extending treatment, and the American company that discovered and will profit from it.

http://vimeo.com/4796083
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The comment from a PCT employee about having to cut palliative care teams due to having to fund this drug makes me very sad, having people die in hospital is rarely a good thing. Should we as a society continue to fund more and more expensive drugs with often limited outcomes. We so often complain that the NHS doesn't care but if we have to fund these drugs due to pressure in the most difficult of circumstances where are we going to get the money to provide good care from birth to death?
 
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AcidHell2 said:
Sorry to hear this and is a horrible position to be in.

But what has this got to do with budget? It's a trial, assume it's got a license as you can buy it. So it must be how effective it is. Not much point giving it to everyone without knowing effectiveness. Trials full and when NHS gets results they'll decide if it's worth it.
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This is it basically, what do people want the NHS to do, spending 50million on adding more people to the treatment, thats in trial, and find out in 3 years that the treatment works temporarily but caused every last patient to die of liver failure?

In which case you'd be happy your dad couldn't afford it, or very angry the NHS wasted so many millions on a drug that killed patients without a proper trial.

Medicine is trial and error, many millions of people die worldwide waiting on new drugs to be proven to work or not work, unfortunately thats life.

I'm not having a go at the OP, its a horrible situation, but that 37k the NHS could fork out might be for a drug that doesn't work, and that could be 37k they take away from treating someone that would have cured someone.

In terms of no budget on healthcare, thats mental, unlimited funds spent curing a 95year old person of cancer, to have him die of old age 3 weeks after its cured, etc, etc.

The NHS does have FAR too much waste and could spend a lot more on actual healthcare, thank Labour for that, so many people and paper pushers who do nothing remotely worthwhile. However a "real" government would both not have hired so many useless people AND wouldn't have spent us into such massive debt so there wouldn't actually be a lot more money spent on health care, just a lot less money spent full stop.

This is really why the "star trek" society, where there isn't money, and people aren't greedy, and we just do what needs to be done would be very very useful.

But even then, while they'd maybe give you the option to be part of this trial without any cost, it still might not work or could be wrong for you, though personal choice is pretty important, feeling like you're dying because you're being denied treatment, than trying it and finding out it doesn't work would be a horrible experience.

TO the OP, hope your dad finds a treatment that works for him.
 
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