Nibiru..2012 the end?

Stovies said:
Interesting forum on 2012 here http://2012forum.com/

both skeptics and believers to be found there
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I'm not even going to look at that site, I'd be glued to it for ages reading all this interesting stuff where about 98% of it is total garbage.

If something happens in 2012, I'd think the Yellowstone Park supervolcano could be one of the causes as some odd activity has been noticed there in the past months so you never know, it could be getting ready for an eruption.

I don't believe it is this Nibiru, as one of the youtube video's stated in this thread, it would have to be close to use already, close enough we could EASILY see it.

The middle east might have a war? Well tbh, they are all a bunch of idiots in the middle east, they are supposed to be religious, religion is not war, if God existed I don't think he's want war, unless he was the Devil of course....
 
Stovies said:
Interesting forum on 2012 here http://2012forum.com/

both skeptics and believers to be found there
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Just love the interesting topics list at the top. Just about sums up your average nut jobs day.

* Protection from solar Radiation
* Mayan priest debunks 2012 theory
* Indigo Children
* The 11:11 phenomenon
* I am Captain L, of the Reptilian Force.
* Food Rationing
* What kind of firearm do you have or want to get?
* Talking to spouse
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willhub said:
Has she got a mirror or something? She keeps playing with herself.
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Well if I looked like that....
 
fornowagain said:
Just love the interesting topics list at the top. Just about sums up your average nut jobs day.




Well if I looked like that....
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You're only saying that cause you're a man, you'd play with yourself all day in every way if you was her, or more specifically if you was with her.... :p
 
Randomly looking at videos whilst eating my lunch today, I came across this video.

Now, its structure and seemingly knowledgeable lecturer, along with some pretty fact based deductions was fascinating.

Then when i thought it wouldnt get any better, I was blown away by the section that starts at 4:15 into the video. Now, that is some interesting evidence and fantastic pictures!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7Fkva18hkg&feature=related
 
Malt_Vinegar said:
Randomly looking at videos whilst eating my lunch today, I came across this video.

Now, its structure and seemingly knowledgeable lecturer, along with some pretty fact based deductions was fascinating.

Then when i thought it wouldnt get any better, I was blown away by the section that starts at 4:15 into the video. Now, that is some interesting evidence and fantastic pictures!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7Fkva18hkg&feature=related
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That is really interesting.

Thank you for posting that. (no sarcasm)
 
Jono8 said:
What i don't understand is that no one has thought that perhaps the mayans just got lazy and gave up at 2012. I mean they couldnt just keep writing a calander infinitely, they had to put the easel down at some point.
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Of course they could - it was very important to them. However, they made the mistake of using a font that was too big, so they ran out of space carving it. :)

Touching base with reality for a moment:

i) The entire thing is explicitly based on Mayan creationism and requires the world to have been created on the 11th of August 3114 B.C. So if you don't believe in Mayan creationism, you cannot believe in thw 2012 thing.

ii) There are extant Mayan carvings showing dates as far ahead as the 21st of October 4772 (in the form of prophecies and calculations of anniversaries).

iii) The length of a Mayan long count cycle is determined by the bases (yes, bases, plural) used for it and the number of digits used. Since these follow a standardised format, there is a limit to the number of days that can be counted using this format. It's like a limit of 256 for a number stored in binary using 8 bits, just much larger.
 
magick said:
I've also heard that maybe the earth will stop spinning on 2012 then start rotating in the oppoesite direction. The theory is the universe mirrors the breath of life though over a much longer period. At current we're reaching the end of the outward breath cycle which is why there's so much fragmentation and seperation both consciously and physical in the world manifesting itself through wars and ego/self interests.

On Dec 21 2012 we begin the inward breath cycle that will last for many millenia and consciously and psychologicaly we'll shift to a unified state of consciousness and a whole new way of being emerge. Financial and political systems will collapse as the division and self interests that maintains these systems will start to erode in the mass population. This is why some people say it's the end of the world. If someones whole life is based in duality then maybe they will die in one form or another with divisive systems they cling too.

Some say that planet revolves one way on the outward breath cycle and the oppoesite way on the inward breath cycle. I'm not to sure if I belive this but I do generaly believe the universe follows this breath cycle.
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You are a monumentally ****ed up individual :).
 
willhub said:
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I don't believe it is this Nibiru, as one of the youtube video's stated in this thread, it would have to be close to use already, close enough we could EASILY see it.
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Some of the nutters are claiming it's a brown dwarf. If so and if it was close enough to hit Earth in 2012, it would currently be the third brightest object visible from Earth and therefore very clearly visible to the naked eye even in bright sunlight in the middle of the day. Every night, it would be the brightest thing in the sky by a huge margin. In fact, it would be bright enough to ensure that there wasn't really a night at all. It would also be wildly distorting orbits, because brown dwarfs have a hell of a lot of mass.

All this Nibiru stuff is such utter nonsense that can be disproved by minimal knowledge, 5 minutes thought and a calculator.

As for Yellowstone...that might explode in 2012. Or next week. Or 10,000 years from now. Or 500,000 years from now. Or never again. It's vaguely predictable within a margin of a hundred thousand years or so, assuming that conditions don't change all that much.

But why do you think Yellowstone is tied in with Mayan creationism in the first place?
 
Angilion said:
Some of the nutters are claiming it's a brown dwarf. If so and if it was close enough to hit Earth in 2012, it would currently be the third brightest object visible from Earth and therefore very clearly visible to the naked eye even in bright sunlight in the middle of the day. Every night, it would be the brightest thing in the sky by a huge margin. In fact, it would be bright enough to ensure that there wasn't really a night at all. It would also be wildly distorting orbits, because brown dwarfs have a hell of a lot of mass.

All this Nibiru stuff is such utter nonsense that can be disproved by minimal knowledge, 5 minutes thought and a calculator.

As for Yellowstone...that might explode in 2012. Or next week. Or 10,000 years from now. Or 500,000 years from now. Or never again. It's vaguely predictable within a margin of a hundred thousand years or so, assuming that conditions don't change all that much.

But why do you think Yellowstone is tied in with Mayan creationism in the first place?
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I don't understand this Mayan stuff, I'm just saying, maybe if yellowstone did go up in 2012 it would just be a coincidence then?

Some people on youtube must be desperate, to proove or disproove this Nibiru as one video shouls this weird flame lookig thing with a blue inner claiming this to be the planit or start or w/e to come so close to us, but in fact I remembered that image, it was from Star Trek, one of the first missions of the Start Ship Enterprise D, the image they claimed to be this Nibiru is infact Q :p
 
willhub said:
I don't understand this Mayan stuff
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Hey Will,

I think you will find some links back in this thread of a very cool lecture about the Mayan calander. I didn't know much about it myself but watching that video broke it all done nicely for me, all credit to the guy giving the lecture! :cool:

To anybody else in this thread who is having problems adjusting to this news I am very sorry, I'm sure the O.P wasn't trying to upset you and neither am I so if its possible can you lay off the personal attacks please and attempt to disprove this scenario or actually think about it instead of inisisting we are all insane! :p

Essentially what the problem with this thread is that most of you will only be able to accept this information from an *Authority* figure shown either on the television News, Radio, Newspapers etc

That's how you have been programmed, it doesn't matter for most of you what you think (or feel), the *Authority* figure is the only one who can tell you what's right (or whats wrong!).

The problem here is, who is this *Authority* figure you speak off and how much do you trust them?

I understand how the concept of massive change freaks the **** out of some people, be it Nibiru, Yellowstone Park, a huge fart, whatever but . . .

You need to look into it yourself, you need to think about it yourself, you need to speak with like-minded people who you trust about what they know and what they feel. If you base all your so called Knowledge on what you see on TV then you are making a huge mistake, you will never learn the truth from watching TV.

If you find yourself writing an offensive post in this thread . . . stop yourself as its not helping.

If you are a Professional/Budding Astronomer and have a phat telescope and have studied this subject for many years you are more than entitled to have your say but if you have no Personal experience or knowledge of this subject then please adjust your attitude in order that those of us who are interested can debate!

Thank you very much! :)
 
I'm basing my knowledge on the fact that I can't see the thing. If it was there, it would be very visible indeed. A "phat telescope" would not be necessary, as it would be bright enough to see with the naked eye. Do you need to be an astronomer with a "phat telescope" to see if the moon is still there?

Essentially what the problem with this thread is that most of you will only be able to accept this information from an *Authority* figure shown either on the television News, Radio, Newspapers etc
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This is particularly silly, as you are the one making an appeal to irrelevant authority (a classic logical fallacy). Only the authority figure you are appealing to has been dead for millenia, you don't even know who they were and you've got it wrong anyway.

You have decided that the Mayan creation story is the absolute literal truth. You may not even know that you have done so. Most 2012-ers are highly ignorant of the whole thing.

There is no evidence that the Mayan creation story is true and a great deal of evidence that it is not. It's slightly worse than young Earth creationism, because the Mayan creation story states that the Earth is even younger (~5000 years, as opposed to ~6000 years).

You think we should ignore all the evidence and believe it anyway, because some people on the news, radio, newspapers, etc tells us to.

What was it you were saying about doing that?

Then there's the idea that 2012 is a magic year because the Mayans used a certain number of digits in one of their calendars. That's what it is. The number of digits used (and the bases used, obviously), determines the number of days that can be described by the calendar without an additional number being used. That number of days from the Mayan creation story start date runs out in 2012. Much like the 2038 Unix thing, except that it doesn't require any changes to programs.

If you were a Mayan priest, then this would be your religion and I'd be slightly less blunt about dismissing it to your face. Are you a Mayan priest?
 
I've thought 2012 would be it for most of my life tbh, but I don't know why.

I've not read this thread but I will do when I'm not so tired.

Hope 2012 will come and go and I can watch my son grow up though.

G
 
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