Nibiru..2012 the end?

I don't understand this Mayan stuff, I'm just saying, maybe if yellowstone did go up in 2012 it would just be a coincidence then?

Just the same as if it exploded next week.

The "Mayan stuff" is pretty straightforward once you ignore the flannel:

Mayan religion includes the belief that the world started on the 11th of August, 3114 BC (using our calendar).

This is day 1 of the Mayan long calendar, unsurprisingly.

The Mayan long calendar counts days.

The Mayan long calendar has a standard format (i.e. base system used, number of digits).

This means that the calendar has a cycle, after which the date returns to a previous figure. It's like using a 4-digit format in base 10 for counting years (as we do). When 9999 years have passed since the start of the calendar, it cycles back to year 1 (or, more likely, people add an extra digit).

The Mayan long count calendar completes a cycle every couple of million days. I can't be bothered to work out the exact figure - the Mayans used a mixture of number bases in their 5-digit dating system and it's more bother than I want to spare for this silly thread. Feel free to calculate it for yourself - the information required is online.

Count the couple of million days from the 11th of August, 3114 BC and you get the 20th of December 2012.

Just as you would if you used that 4-digit base 10 format for counting years after 10,000 years had passed.

Unsurprisingly, the Mayans also realised that you'd need to add extra numbers to count past one calendar cycle without confusion. So they did.

The claims about the significance of the Mayan long calendar cycle don't even stem from the Mayans. They're much more recent than that, stemming from modern times.
 
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I've thought 2012 would be it for most of my life tbh, but I don't know why.

I've not read this thread but I will do when I'm not so tired.

Hope 2012 will come and go and I can watch my son grow up though.

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You've already lived through several predicted dates for the end of the world. Why worry about yet another one? Especially since it's Mayan and the Mayans themselves didn't believe it was going to be the end of the world.

Here's another 63 dates on which the world ended. Except that it didn't.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/end_wrl2.htm

No doubt you could find more if you looked. Come 2013, people will find some more.
 
i dont actually believe in any of this.... i can happen any day im sure they dont understand everything about the earth and cant say when it will happen or when it wont :P
 
I'm basing my knowledge on the fact that I can't see the thing. If it was there, it would be very visible indeed. A "phat telescope" would not be necessary, as it would be bright enough to see with the naked eye. Do you need to be an astronomer with a "phat telescope" to see if the moon is still there?



This is particularly silly, as you are the one making an appeal to irrelevant authority (a classic logical fallacy). Only the authority figure you are appealing to has been dead for millenia, you don't even know who they were and you've got it wrong anyway.

You have decided that the Mayan creation story is the absolute literal truth. You may not even know that you have done so. Most 2012-ers are highly ignorant of the whole thing.

There is no evidence that the Mayan creation story is true and a great deal of evidence that it is not. It's slightly worse than young Earth creationism, because the Mayan creation story states that the Earth is even younger (~5000 years, as opposed to ~6000 years).

You think we should ignore all the evidence and believe it anyway, because some people on the news, radio, newspapers, etc tells us to.

What was it you were saying about doing that?

Then there's the idea that 2012 is a magic year because the Mayans used a certain number of digits in one of their calendars. That's what it is. The number of digits used (and the bases used, obviously), determines the number of days that can be described by the calendar without an additional number being used. That number of days from the Mayan creation story start date runs out in 2012. Much like the 2038 Unix thing, except that it doesn't require any changes to programs.

If you were a Mayan priest, then this would be your religion and I'd be slightly less blunt about dismissing it to your face. Are you a Mayan priest?



Did the Mayans Actually Predict anything that was correct?
You said somewhere they had dates and Predictions, What did they actually Predict?
 
So basically, according to the Mayans, the earth began in 3114BC, were dinosaurs fake then? :D

There may have been some previous creations that didn't work out, according to their religion. If they knew about dinosaurs, maybe they would have interpreted them as leftovers. Who knows?
 
http://www.universetoday.com/2008/05/25/2012-no-planet-x/

On a seperate note and nothing to do with the link as such. 2012 is the year that we are expecting to cross the horizontal plane in the galaxy. We are currently above it, and on Dec 21st 2012 we will be below it (as we are apparently joining the Milky Way from another Galaxy anyway..nothing to be frightened about.) This is just the point the Mayan Calender could no longer be predicted due to this "event", so it got labelled by them as Doomsday because they didn't know what was going to happen on that date.

There is a chance we could be struck at anytime(i.e. not just on this particular date) by objects/mass etc in the universe and getting all worried about it will not do anything. We get struck by meteorites all the time.
 
Did the Mayans Actually Predict anything that was correct?
You said somewhere they had dates and Predictions, What did they actually Predict?

The usual predictions - some vague things that you can interpret to fit events after they happened. There's very little Mayan stuff left now, anyway. I can't even be sure the predictions I have seen are genuine - I'm not an archeologist working in that area.

Dates, though, they had down pat. Maths, too. They devised the concept of zero, long before Arabs did. They even managed to get the true length of a year almost exactly right, which is impressive.

The date in 4772 AD was nothing more than an anniversary of a ruler's ascension to the throne, carved on a pillar. Probably down to their liking of maths. The point of that was to demonstrate that they didn't think the world would end in 2012 AD. Just one cycle of one of their calendars.
 
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This is just the point the Mayan Calender could no longer be predicted due to this "event", so it got labelled by them as Doomsday because they didn't know what was going to happen on that date.
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Did the Mayans label that date as Doomsday? Nothing I've found indicated that they labelled it as such.

The Mayan long calendar simply counted days. It cannot be true that it could no longer be predicted after that day, or any day.

It's just a matter of the standard format they used for recording dates. It's like 8-bit binary only being able to hold 256 numbers - their standard dating format count only hold enough numbers to count just over 5000 years worth of days.
 
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Did the Mayans Actually Predict anything that was correct?
You said somewhere they had dates and Predictions, What did they actually Predict?

the mayans have predicted every single lunar and solar eclipse since there time to the present day,they have been just as accurate with there astronomical instruments as we have been with our instruments,yet they were about around 1000 years ago!So one thing i can understand form this is that they were great sky watchers and understood the cycles of moons planets and stars...very advanced for there time:)
 
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Here's a question.

Imagine if NASA had found and known about it for the past 20-30yrs, do you think they would have come out and told us or hide it and cover up for as long as possible?

How would the uneducated masses react to such an announcement? would they still bother turning up to work to pay off their mortgages etc? or would the world descend into total chaos?

As the ex US president Richard Nixon once said "its not the lie,its the cover up that kills you"....you only have to look into JFK to see lots of proof that the Governments of the world all cover things up for one main reason......Control over the populace!:)

i know JFK is another story altogether but its a prime example of a cover up :)
We could also talk about area 51 a.k.a. nevada test facility,or the face on mars,the list goes on and on.....
 
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the mayans have predicted every single lunar and solar eclipse since there time to the present day,they have been just as accurate with there astronomical instruments as we have been with our instruments,yet they were about around 1000 years ago!So one thing i can understand form this is that they were great sky watchers and understood the cycles of moons planets and stars...very advanced for there time:)

whoopee doo - thats not really that difficult. Basic instruments and a knowledge of basic maths could do that - it doesn't mean they could predict the future.
 
First of all, if there was a planet half the size of the sun flying towards the earth and is to strike after 3 years, it should be visible in the sky right now.

Now a planet can't fly through space, but orbits around a sun. So it might be possible that a new solar system has been discovered. Because when a planet rotates, it seems like it's getting closer to earth.

Another possibility could be that that planet is actually a red giant (when a star is dead, it expands into a very large red globe). And of course when a far object becomes larger, the human brain thinks that the object is actually coming closer. But that's just an illusion.

Now when the Mayans where able to predict everything, they would also know that they where going to vanish. So why take the effort of building pyramids, if you know that you'll disappear anyway?
 
Now when the Mayans where able to predict everything, they would also know that they where going to vanish. So why take the effort of building pyramids, if you know that you'll disappear anyway?

Because they couldn't create paper and had to write down their predictions on something :D:p;)
 
http://www.universetoday.com/2008/05/25/2012-no-planet-x/

On a seperate note and nothing to do with the link as such. 2012 is the year that we are expecting to cross the horizontal plane in the galaxy. We are currently above it, and on Dec 21st 2012 we will be below it (as we are apparently joining the Milky Way from another Galaxy anyway..nothing to be frightened about.) This is just the point the Mayan Calender could no longer be predicted due to this "event", so it got labelled by them as Doomsday because they didn't know what was going to happen on that date.

There is a chance we could be struck at anytime(i.e. not just on this particular date) by objects/mass etc in the universe and getting all worried about it will not do anything. We get struck by meteorites all the time.

But according to one of the videos it appears we crossed over the horizontal plane already and it's apparently something barmy like 30 million years until we cross it again, or 30 billion years?

We cant be joining the milky way from another galaxy, we are in the milky way, the galaxy that will collide with our milky way is that one called Andromeda, in a long long time, and at that time it's possible the end of the world could happen as by the looks of it after watching about it on nat geo stars and planets etc.. will be flung out into space, all sorts of collisions will occur.
 
i think what the Mayans did was figure out that the positions of the stars affected everything on earth, so to predict the movement of the stars was also predicting events on earth.

nostradamus knew of this too.

everything is connected, string theory proves this.
 
That is really interesting.

Thank you for posting that. (no sarcasm)

No worries chap! If only all of these videos had such subtance people might be able to question "the system" (or in this case, NASA) without being labelled a nutter :D

I have not yet visited the chap's site, but when I get some more time, I will do. I just hope the rest of his site is presented in such a matter of fact way.
 
So... because the Mayans made a calender that just happens to end in 2012, that means the world is going to end? I mean, did they actually SAY that this means the end of the world?

Did they ever predict anything else that has come true before? I dont mean really vague stuff that can be spun around a thousand times, like the Nostradmus crap.
 
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