Nibiru..2012 the end?
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It isn't the end of the long count. There are plenty more B'ak'tun to go. The long count ends in Oct 4772. And what exactly is this rubbish about the sun being in the galactic centre? The sun will never be in the galactic centre as we are on a relative backwater solarsystem along one spiral arm of our galaxy. It is technically always lined up to the centre.
I hazard a guess that you speaking a Mayan language would cause him to feel the same.
This Mayan prophecy, which might or might not even exist, is utterly dependent on counting days from the Mayan religious creation story start date. If you don't believe that creation started on that day, you can't be counting from it and thus the "prophecy" is meaningless to you. This is a religious prophecy - if you don't believe in the religion, you can't believe in the prophecy. Which might or might not have existed and might or might not have been translated correctly.
The Mayans predicted some astronomical things correctly, which indicates that they had some knowledge of astronomy. That isn't the same as foretelling the future.
If you believe that the end of the world is nigh, fine. Loads of people have believed that throughout recorded history. Chucking interpretations of different religions in to claim some support of that belief doesn't make much sense unless you are a follower of those religions...and you can't be a follower of Mayan religion and Christianity at the same time because they are obviously mutually exclusive.
Premise: It isn't the end of the long count.
Premise: Our sun is nowhere near the galactic centre and won't be in 2012 unless someone teleports it there.
Conclusion: You are wrong.
People have been predicting that forever too, as well as the literal end of the world. Why is this any different to the dozens that were wrong before?
Just because they started counting from a certain time does not nullify the prophecy. The book of Daniel also requires accurate counting. Daniel 9:24-26 accurately foretells the arrival of Jesus.
Yes I can, as stated above, believing there is a "ring of truth" to that prophecy does not contadict my belief in Jesus.
What is it then? How did the magi (Ancient Zoroastrian astrologers, enchanters, sorcerers, and magicians.) know Jesus was being born? They still held their pagan belief's and they were the only ones to recognize His arrival.
As I have already said, in a round about way, I believe it makes perfect sense and in no way contravenes my belief in Jesus. I have also already said, I am not a follower of Mayan religion; though there can be parallel truths between them.
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The date of the prophecy is counted from a certain time. That time is the creation day in Mayan religion. So the date of the prophecy absolutely requires belief that the creation day of Mayan religion actually was the creation day.
Of course, this doesn't address the question of whether the prophecy actually exists.
As long as you ignore the date and substitute "any time, who knows?" for 21/12/2012. EDIT: Or start the day count from whatever date you believe is the date of creation.
Being able to predict astronomical events is not foretelling the future. It's the same sort of thing as predicting that night follows day, just more complicated.
That's your faith. It isn't mine.
And I've pointed out the inconsistencies inherent in believing the Mayan religious creation date is correct and also believing a completely different religion.
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So basically the Magi turn up because of a prophecy and pick on the first newborn child they find - simples.
Around 70 years later a few details are added to the Jesus story about Mummy being a virgin and other assorted crap that wasn't documented at his birth.
PS, There were never 3 Wise Men, there could have been 2 or 20 because the Bible only says Wise Men came from the East.
People have assumed because of 3 gifts there were 3 Wise Men to carry them.
The best one was about 700 years later they found names for them.
Yawn, Please read the source before commenting.
The "wise men", (Who ever said there was three? They brought three gifts, yes.) did not follow a prophecy, even though it is possible they knew of it. Especially as it was three Zoastrian magi that Daniel helped, when interpreting king Nebukadnezar's dream. (No it was not the same men, I think they were long dead.) they followed a star.
No magi visited the newborn Jesus, there were shephards, though no wise men yet, they came later.
I do not know what you are on about in the slightest in your closing sentence.
Ah quick google, "Gaspar, Balthasar, and Melchior." made up names? Nothing mentions names of the magi in scriptures.
Sorry if this is a bit rushed though I have to go and am late already.
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part 2 - scientific proof ( the one you all want to see...)
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Produced and hosted by Marshall Masters, a former CNN science feature field producer, this program offers a straightforward view of this coming human event. As the co-author and publisher of Planet X Forecast and 2012 Survival Guide, Marshall believes that 2012 will be a survivable, evolutionary event.
part 2 - scientific proof ( the one you all want to see...)
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Produced and hosted by Marshall Masters, a former CNN science feature field producer, this program offers a straightforward view of this coming human event. As the co-author and publisher of Planet X Forecast and 2012 Survival Guide, Marshall believes that 2012 will be a survivable, evolutionary event.
.... and I predict that it will be a survivable because absolutely nothing out of the ordinary will occur.
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Yawn, Please read the source before commenting.
The "wise men", (Who ever said there was three? They brought three gifts, yes.) did not follow a prophecy, even though it is possible they knew of it. Especially as it was three Zoastrian magi that Daniel helped, when interpreting king Nebukadnezar's dream. (No it was not the same men, I think they were long dead.) they followed a star.
No magi visited the newborn Jesus, there were shephards, though no wise men yet, they came later.
I do not know what you are on about in the slightest in your closing sentence.
Ah quick google, "Gaspar, Balthasar, and Melchior." made up names? Nothing mentions names of the magi in scriptures.
Sorry if this is a bit rushed though I have to go and am late already.
You asked how the Magi knew Jesus was being born?
They didn't, they just picked on the first new born they came across after following a 'star'.
About 70 years later scriptures were wrote that exaggerated the birth.
Easy peasy.
The end bit was for those that always thought there were 3 wise men and they had names.
There were wise men (2 to 20!) and their names suddenly appeared about 500 years later.
Magick has got a dual account.
Why is this transition so important compared to the other 12 that have gone before it and the 7 that are going to follow it?
What happened in 830, 1224 and 1618? What will happen in 2406, 2800 or 3194?
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Do you also believe in Scientology because you ought to?
Ha, no thanks atheist here.
