Nick Griffin, speaks the truth for a change?

I can't believe for one minute that 100 years of industry has done the damage that they speak of after millions of years of evolution.

In that 100 years we have managed to do quite a lot though! Fossil fuels are a massive carbon sink, we have now introduced that into the current carbon cycle, this could have only happened by anthropogenic means, so there is no way of knowing what it may / may not effect. And feedback loops also caused by us are something that have never happened before.

It's all interesting stuff, and the science certainly isn't settled, either way.
 
Nick griffin has so many good policies and opinions, it's such a shame that he ruins them with his sexist and racist ideals.

The BNP doesn't have policies other than isolationism and racial purity. For all his claims nowadays of being diametrically opposed to the fundamental tenet of the BNP, he is the leader of the BNP. He's probably just lying to attract more useful idiots into voting BNP without having a clue what the BNP stands for.
 
Totally agree but isn't there a lot of evidence that shows the earth was warmer than it is now just a few thousand years ago?

Oh yes. The Earth has been much warmer, and also much cooler than current. We are actually technically in a "cooler" phase at the mo, just coming out of a glacial period.

The question is weather any temp change is anthropogenic, and therefore something the Earth's systems haven't had to comprehend before now. And more importantly, can it cope with an un-natural change.
 
He's just a racist slob, he talks about issues in the media to try and get more supporters, only stupid people fall for this 'trick'

Edit, +1 to what Angilion siad
 
climate change! let's all meet in Copenhagen and travel there in our lovely BIG jets and pollute the atmosphere a bit more :) surely it would be cheaper and more economically friendly just doing a BIG conference call...quite ironic ;)

I know what my money is on and it isn't the crap been spewed about climate change! The world is NATURALLY warming up (apparently) ;) I can't believe for one minute that 100 years of industry has done the damage that they speak of after millions of years of evolution.

Why can't you believe it?

The idea that humans can't have much effect on Earth is just wishful thinking. Humans are having a huge effect - wiping out entire ecosystems, turning fertile land into dustbowls, deserts and bare rock, creating a rubbish dump several times as large as Texas (it's in the Pacific ocean), etc, etc.

It certainly could have done the damage they speak of. Maybe it hasn't, but it looks like it has.

However, I think Fox has made a key point - the current contribution of the UK to it is so minor that nothing we do in isolation will come anywhere near vaguely close to being within shouting distance of offsetting the increase in pollution from China. Even if most of the population of the UK died and the rest lived stone age lives, it still wouldn't matter.

Farming causes far more greenhouse gasses than industry, anyway.

I think we should be more energy-efficient, but not really for environmental reasons. More for economic, social and political reasons. Especially political reasons. Who thinks that spending countless trillions on oil from the middle east has been a good thing? Who thinks that being utterly dependent on countries that are hostile to us or who might well be hostile to us is a good thing?
 
"Everyone agrees Climate change is the number one problem facing humanity right now"

When he said everyone doesn't agree, who else was expecting him to say blacks, jews and racial integration were?

Anyway, as for the climate debate, the thing that annoys me about it is the fact no one is disputing, we are running out of oil, yet just because Johnny Redneck (and it sounds like there are few on here) hears that oh wait the world is getting warmer because of the cyclical nature of the ecosystem etc. then its alright to drive his Range Rover/BMW/Pickup/summat else that does 6mpg to the shops everyday or to leave his central heating on from 1st September to the 30th March or to just chuck everything away without recycling.

Didn't you hear? Global Warming is a myth so why not just trash every other aspect of the pollution debate seeing as this one little blown out of proportion corner of it is debatable?
 
Totally agree but isn't there a lot of evidence that shows the earth was warmer than it is now just a few thousand years ago?

Yes, and colder more recently. For example, there are records of a brief but very deadly cooling in England in the early 14th century (~10% of the population died within a few years) and later records of the Thames routinely freezing heavily enough to drive heavy carts across it.

Going back further, there were ice ages during which Britain was completely uninhabitable. There are also periods during which Britain was as hot and wet as an equatorial rain forest is today - inhabitable, but very uncomfortable.

The issue most worrying to most people who look at it is that the current changes seem to be occuring much faster than is natural. Humans are definitely affecting the Earth. The question is whether it's by too much for a natural equlibrium to settle within environmental limits convenient, or even inhabitable, to humanity. Even if it only goes as far as it naturally has in the past, we'd be buggered.
 
Anyway, as for the climate debate, the thing that annoys me about it is the fact no one is disputing, we are running out of oil, yet just because Johnny Redneck (and it sounds like there are few on here) hears that oh wait the world is getting warmer because of the cyclical nature of the ecosystem etc. then its alright to drive his Range Rover/BMW/Pickup/summat else that does 6mpg to the shops everyday or to leave his central heating on from 1st September to the 30th March or to just chuck everything away without recycling.

Spot on IMO, either way we need to make changes. We have a quality Professor, who the other day came out with "It occurred to me some time a go that AGW may be a great political ploy, to cut carbon emissions, and invest heavily in alt fuel sources, but because the effects of peak oil and the lack of sustainable consumption are too horrendous and forthcoming for the general public than climate change", he smirked, then said "but then it twigged that governments aren't nearly clever enough to pull off such a scheme" :D :D
 
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Spot on IMO, either way we need to make changes. We have a quality Professor, who the other day came out with "It occurred to me some time a go that AGW may be a great political ploy, to cut carbon emissions, and invest heavily in alt fuel sources, but because the effects of peak oil and the lack of sustainable consumption are too horrendous and forthcoming for the general public than climate change", he smirked, then said "but then it twigged that governments aren't nearly cleaver enough to pull off such a scheme" :D :D

Thank you, people seem to forget that irrespective of whether or not the earth is a couple of degrees warmer, this time in 30-50 years (at an optimistic leap of imagination) we will be out of oil and therefore reliant on all the methods and solutions put forward by these global warming activists.

Their point maybe moot, irrelevant, unjustified or completely fabricated, people need to get their hands round the one simple fact of the matter, its not gonna matter.

We already have one unjust war for blatant oil purposes, all hell will break loose once the last of it has gone, or for the last of it and what will all these people dismissing the theories out of hands say? You should have come up with a solution.

There are solutions already here, dont drive so much, recycle, turn off your lights when you're not using them, buy energy saving bulbs, don't fly to Prague for a weekend because Ryanair were offering it for £1.20 (before taxes). What does it matter if you don't agree with why you're doing it, who is it gonnna hurt by doing it now?

You're saying you're all getting taxed out your arses for this "non-existent" claim that is purely down to natural causes, but a 6-pack of energy saving lightbulbs was 6p in Morrissons the other day. All these people moaning about paying an extra 5p a litre to fill their cars up for another unnecessary journey need to think on and wonder what it is they're being taxed for, take a look around and realise there are countless ways to compensate for that tax by doing things properly.

I bet them energy saving lightbulbs would save you easily the cost of the bump in petrol, as well as being a lot cheaper than proper bulbs, which I bet all you moaners have in your house right now lighting rooms you're not even in. But no, energy saving lightbulbs don't save me money right now so I'm not buying them and I'll just moan about the government screwing me over instead.

People will argue against every last thing their government tells them, it'll be your kids, grandkids dying in a war for a few barrels of oil because you're too stubborn to change your attitudes.
 
Wow anksta, you really seem to have some issues with this whole debate. I can understand where you are coming from and for the most part I agree but an attitude like your's is far more likely to turn people against your cause than towards it.
Just chill out a bit (oh, the irony).
 
climate change! let's all meet in Copenhagen and travel there in our lovely BIG jets and pollute the atmosphere a bit more :) surely it would be cheaper and more economically friendly just doing a BIG conference call...quite ironic ;)

I know what my money is on and it isn't the crap been spewed about climate change! The world is NATURALLY warming up (apparently) ;) I can't believe for one minute that 100 years of industry has done the damage that they speak of after millions of years of evolution.
Even better is that they have run out of limos, and that they have had to drive some in from Sveeeeden, and ze Farter Land :D
 
I am not a racisit about a persons colour of skin in thr slightest, there is good and bad in everyone. But it is true that the white ( dare i say it ? ) Indigenous person of this country have been swamped by political corretiveness. Religion is the only thing which scares me, i.e the radicals. It shames me to say it but i do feel a certain resentment towards the islamic faiths :( becasue of some of there ideals a strongly dissagree with. There is so much tension in england right now between all races its not going to be long before something pops. :(
 
I am not a racisit about a persons colour of skin in thr slightest, there is good and bad in everyone. But it is true that the white ( dare i say it ? ) Indigenous person of this country have been swamped by political corretiveness. Religion is the only thing which scares me, i.e the radicals. It shames me to say it but i do feel a certain resentment towards the islamic faiths :( becasue of some of there ideals a strongly dissagree with. There is so much tension in england right now between all races its not going to be long before something pops. :(

Holy offtopic ramble Batman!
 
Holy offtopic ramble Batman!

Quite true sir ! :) The basic point is this guy is a jerk, however the party does have some good opinions on things, the racism i cant stand. Im pretty sure they will never ever evade the stigma for the party they once was, but if they could ditch the racism and keep the pride more people would vote.

The global warming issue no one knows for sure, but it cant be doing the earth any good pumping it full of the shi* that we have. :P
 
What's new about that? Only the excuses change. If it wasn't AGW, it would be something else.


Yes it would be something else, but wouldnt it be nice to actually have some idea about what you are paying tax for? if its to raise funds for something else then say so.
 
it's amazing how everyone (especially politicians)is a lying barstool till they say something that teki/magick/mattheman agrees with then they are a bastions of truth and honour...
 
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