Nigel Adkins axed

drunkenmaster · 18 Jan 2013 at 12:26

Even when they were losing there were plenty of games where they scored and played some good football, so on performances its a pretty ridiculous decision.... but, not all firings are based on performance.

Maybe they had a falling out, maybe Adkins screamed at him for some investment and was unprofessional, maybe the owner had a screaming match with Adkins which has made the relationship unworkable, maybe Adkins screwed the secretary, or was caught doing drugs, or punched a player, etc, etc.

Not everything in football is entirely about performance, its the most usual reason managers get fired, but not the only. If it is on the performances, its mental and the harshest firing for quite some time.

Kenai · 18 Jan 2013 at 12:27

I can only imagine this is due to a disagreement over transfers to come at the point in time that it has done.

Admiral Huddy · 18 Jan 2013 at 12:30

pingwing said:
Probably over signing new CB's or not winning every game.

CB's more likely as that has been a mess so far this transfer window.

This was my thinking.. Asking for cash/players and falling out with the board over it.. January Transfer window is more trouble than it's worth.. Just speculating though but it's not the first time. :mad:

Transfer window should be open as soon as season ends and not close until March at least.. I digress.

Tom84 · 18 Jan 2013 at 12:32

Shamikebab said:
crazy, stupid decision.

This

3 points or so clear of the relegation zone and just come off a remarkable 2-2 draw at Chelsea, what exactly did the Southampton bosses expect their position to be at this stage of the season?

Tummy · 18 Jan 2013 at 12:33

Adkins seemed to have a good record with Southampton;

Played 124.
Won 67.
Drawn 25.
Lost 32.

Clearly in contact with a replacement manager and want a change at the club. I personally can not see what Adkins has done wrong in all honesty.

Kenai · 18 Jan 2013 at 12:35

Tummy said:
Clearly in contact with a replacement manager and want a change at the club. I personally can not see what Adkins has done wrong in all honesty.

In contact with?

They've appointed his replacement already! They've gone well beyond just being in contact with replacements

[ASSE]Hinchy · 18 Jan 2013 at 12:38

The fact that he's been sacked and replaced in one day suggests that this is not related to a recent transfer window fallout to me.

I just cannot believe it. For once we had some stability, we were looking better on the pitch and then the carpet is pulled from under us.

You'd almost think fair enough if the replacement was someone who had a very impressive CV, but Pochettino doesn't. He's going to have to hit the ground running with results because the fans are going to be on his back immediately I imagine.

Shocking

Admiral Huddy · 18 Jan 2013 at 12:38

Tummy said:
Adkins seemed to have a good record with Southampton;

Played 124.

Won 67.

Drawn 25.

Lost 32.

Clearly in contact with a replacement manager and want a change at the club. I personally can not see what Adkins has done wrong in all honesty.

Good ratio that. A lot clubs in the premiership would be happy with a manager with those credentials.

Jokester · 18 Jan 2013 at 12:38

Looks like it was pre-organised and they were just waiting on an excuse to get rid of Adkins which he then failed to give them!

Mindboggled!

mmj_uk · 18 Jan 2013 at 12:43

Cruel, they were my favourite team this season but now I hope they go on a 20 game losing streak.

I hope he finds another Premiership club, it's not right that managers earn the right to manage in the Premiership and then get sacked because they aren't a big name.

[ASSE]Hinchy · 18 Jan 2013 at 12:44

Sid Lowe and Guillem Balague speak highly of Pochettino. Hopefully for Southampton he will do well and I'm sure any hostility would be more directed at the board than him.

pingwing · 18 Jan 2013 at 12:44

Mauricio Porchettino is his replacement *spits*

THREE years in management. :mad:

Fixed Espanyol for a season in 09-10 (bottom to 9th), 8th next year, then sacked for bottom 9 points from 13 games.

Basically this is our Steve Kean, a nonsense yes man coach

a1ex2001 · 18 Jan 2013 at 12:45

Totally shocked, just browsing around looking for confirmation of new signings and then this! Adkins has been fantastic for the club, led us to back to back promotions and built a team based on strong spirtit and decent football to treat him like this is shocking. I've loved Saints all my life but a little piece of that has just died and I'm not sure it will ever come back. We've always been seen as a nice friendly club I know so many people that have us as a second team etc and then we go and do this! The whole football community is up inarms with disgust and all I can do is join them.

Indefensible decision.

Tummy · 18 Jan 2013 at 12:45

I think that Pochettino is a good manager, but it does not excuse what is on the surface a very harsh sacking.

Jimbeam3678 · 18 Jan 2013 at 12:46

simulatorman said:
Just unbelievable.

And that coming from a Chelsea fan :eek:

a1ex2001 · 18 Jan 2013 at 12:53

Tummy said:
I think that Pochettino is a good manager, but it does not excuse what is on the surface a very harsh sacking.

One good season out of three does not a good manager make, I hope we loose every game and are relegated by easter. Seriously love the Saints but this is not what our club is about and the MD needs to learn that not another penny of my money will go to the club for the forseable future.

Kenai · 18 Jan 2013 at 12:56

a1ex2001 said:
One good season out of three does not a good manager make

Especially so when said manager only has three seasons in total, not even as if that's just a poor average stat, all it shows is the guy had a fluke season when he first started there

a1ex2001 · 18 Jan 2013 at 13:01

Kenai said:
Especially so when said manager only has three seasons in total, not even as if that's just a poor average stat, all it shows is the guy had a fluke season when he first started there

My money says he's a yes man the chairman has bought in ala Steve Kean at Blackburn so he can play Football Manager for real instead of just on his PC.

I've never been so disillusioned with Saints, through the relegations and the admin and the rest of the rubish at least we acted honourably and now just as people were starting to talk about the club for the right reasons again this happens. Hope those at the game on Monday make their feelings known.

[ASSE]Hinchy · 18 Jan 2013 at 13:02

Fans have still got to get behind the new manager. It's totally counter productive not to do so, particularly as the TV money for next season could make a dramatic difference in the club's future.

Adkins will not struggle to find work, we can all be sure of that. I felt similar but obviously not as bad when Pardew was sacked out of the blue and that worked out well.

Got to give him a chance.

drunkenmaster · 18 Jan 2013 at 13:06

[ASSE]Hinchy;23583073 said:
The fact that he's been sacked and replaced in one day suggests that this is not related to a recent transfer window fallout to me.

I just cannot believe it. For once we had some stability, we were looking better on the pitch and then the carpet is pulled from under us.

You'd almost think fair enough if the replacement was someone who had a very impressive CV, but Pochettino doesn't. He's going to have to hit the ground running with results because the fans are going to be on his back immediately I imagine.

Shocking

It doesn't have to be a recent fall out to be the cause, the window has been open for 18 days and any manager with a brain doesn't start talking with the boss about transfers on Jan 1st. He's replaced him already so yes, if it was a fallout over transfers, or any other reason its very unlikely it happened in the last day or two, but that really isn't relevant. As for Pochettino, well so many people are saying on performance his sacking was a joke, being fired by Espanyol doesn't mean he was doing badly. Lots of top managers have been fired, thats football management for you.

He's an up and coming manager that was rated pretty highly, La Liga ain't the prem league with fair TV money distribution, Espanyol AFAIK were operating on free transfers and a lot of luck, like 2/3rd's of the league. He had two very good seasons and two bad months.

Its a bit early to write him off as rubbish, I don't know who Espanyol lost, who they signed, how much they had available, how much debt they were struggling with(if any but outside the big two it seems most of them are in loads of debt). He seemingly signed a lot of older players on free transfers, more likely due to lack of money/options than choice.

pingwing said:
Mauricio Porchettino is his replacement *spits*

THREE years in management.

Fixed Espanyol for a season in 09-10 (bottom to 9th), 8th next year, then sacked for bottom 9 points from 13 games.

Basically this is our Steve Kean, a nonsense yes man coach

At some stage every great manager who was ever a manager had only 3 years experience, and most have been fired, some multiple times. Without knowing anything about him you've decided he's a yes man like Steve Kean?

Without knowing any back story, was Adkins firing ridiculous, most likely, is that the next guy's fault? Chelsea's results while showing a lack of support for the manager isn't helping them, does it make sense, that since he's been fired and the next guy is here, to turn on him before he's done anything?

What if he improves Southampton significantly?