Yeah, the D750 is between the D610 and D800 quite clearly.
Sure it borrows technology from the D810 but that is always the case with lower end bodies.
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Yeah, the D750 is between the D610 and D800 quite clearly.
Sure it borrows technology from the D810 but that is always the case with lower end bodies.
Wow, only 17 posts in a camera release as good as this?
This camera seems like it really could last a good few years before feeling the need to upgrade, unless 4k video is important of course.
Where I live the D850 (body only) is £1390 in the local stores, which makes it very tempting to upgrade my D7000, especially as I can get it on very low interest credit.
Hmm, decisions decisions...
As good as the camera is I don't really see the point. The D800 is better for most peoples needs and can be had second hand for less or old stock for slightly more. D600's can be picked up a lot cheaper if budget is the main concern.
Not sure it will do that well as it is sandwiched between the other FF options, despite the fact that objectively the camera is really better than a 5Dmk3 and way cheaper!
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Actually the D750 looks better than the D800 to me.
For:
Supposedly better AF
Quiet Shutter mode (great for weddings)
Flippy Flappy screen (useful for me as not very tall, and good for low shot's or firing from the hip on unsuspecting subjects)
Faster fps
Better video
Wifi control
Against
1/4000
No AF On button (I never actually use it)
Less resolution
I'm still happy with the D810, though Nikon are ******* for not including flippy flappy screen and wifi.
For:
Supposedly better AF
Quiet Shutter mode (great for weddings)
Flippy Flappy screen (useful for me as not very tall, and good for low shot's or firing from the hip on unsuspecting subjects)
Faster fps
Better video
Wifi control
Against
1/4000
No AF On button (I never actually use it)
Less resolution
I'm still happy with the D810, though Nikon are ******* for not including flippy flappy screen and wifi.
The bodies are totally different, the D800 is a semi-pro body with a solid mag-alloy construction and full weather sealing, the D750 prosumer body with iplastic on steal frame construction and less sealing. the D750 has no CF slot, slower flash sync, slower min shutter and in general is designed to fit between the D800 and D610.
Yeah it's faster, it was deigned to be while the D800/810 was not, so it is no surprise. It is also faster than the D810, but is slower than the D700. Heck for all out speed nothing beats the Nikon V3.
Similarly, plenty of entry level cameras have floppy screens- that is not a sign of a more professional higher end camera (regardless of whether pros want the feature or not).
Same with the other pros you listed really, that is just what happens with newer released cameras. Many of the entry level DSLRs have newer tech than the most expensive D4 line simply because the higher end cameras are updated less often. GPS, wifi, floppy screens, bigger higher res LCDs, better video, newer ASICs (expeed) etc. invariably end up in the entry level cameras first.
Yeah it's faster, it was deigned to be while the D800/810 was not, so it is no surprise. It is also faster than the D810, but is slower than the D700. Heck for all out speed nothing beats the Nikon V3.
Similarly, plenty of entry level cameras have floppy screens- that is not a sign of a more professional higher end camera (regardless of whether pros want the feature or not).
Same with the other pros you listed really, that is just what happens with newer released cameras. Many of the entry level DSLRs have newer tech than the most expensive D4 line simply because the higher end cameras are updated less often. GPS, wifi, floppy screens, bigger higher res LCDs, better video, newer ASICs (expeed) etc. invariably end up in the entry level cameras first.
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I think the point is:
Nikon D810 = £1850
Nikon D750 = £1300
The D750 has the same AF, better video (many people do care about this), and journalists are saying arguably the best IQ (or at least no worse than any other) of the Nikon line-up. As for CF... the benefits of that are debatable now that SD cards are getting faster and higher capacity all the time. Given the buffer on the D750 I can't see how a fast CF would bring many tangible benefits over the fastest SD's. Regarding the construction... the body is reportedly very solid and will likely prove very durable.
The D750 is getting universal praise for a good reason I think... seems like a great camera with many features form the top models, at a lower price-point.
The price isn't that punitive for my wallet.
That price drops quite quickly in y experience.
I grabbed the D5100 as my starter body .( Still learning the art) . From the preview s etc the D750 seems like a good jumping in point to FF. If Iwere to stick with dx I would grab the D7100 without hesitation. I wasn't convinced with the 610 tbh.the 750 would be the better choice over the 600 series in my opinion. It seems to be a better all rounder.
Just apart from my 35mm I seem to be moving towards FX glass . Got the 85mm and looking at the 70-200mm next.(That 20mm looks nice!) Hence the interest in FF bodies.
I think all screen should be floppy/rotatable it makes more sense in my estimation.
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I don't really care for the build quality argument. I've dropped a D800 from waist height and it look perfectly fine but it wasn't. Nikon had to fit almost an entire new chassis because the AF was off due to the body being very slightly off in alignment. These are the things the fools at digital rev don't test for when the throw 7d's around and proudly proclaim "it still works" because the shutter fires.
If anything a form of polycarbonate construction would be much preferable as it's much better at dealing with impact. The body will flex but won't remain deformed like metal (mag alloy). I actually like the concept of how the D7000 was constructed personally.
This is actually a good thing imo. I use both slot's in my camera's in raid 1. Had to buy the much more expensive CF card's (I use cards that are 128gb+), but am limited to the slower performance of the SD card. Would much prefer just having two SD's.
Yes it's faster than then D800/D810. It's still advantage D750.
Personally I don't look to others to tell me what's 'pro' and what isn't. A good feature is a good feature, regardless of if it's on a consumer or 'pro' body. However if the pro's are asking for it, then surely that would suggest it's a 'pro' level feature. Personally I just think Canon/Nikon leave things out of their high margin bodies on purpose to keep people on the upgrade merry-go-round. The pro bodies will have flippy flappy screens and wifi eventually. The D750 just brings that a little closer.
The reasons for the upgrades are irrelevant, they are still advantage D750.
I'm not bashing on the 800/E's either. I still have mine and they are great camera's. For landscapes I would still take the E's, for weddings I would prefer the D750 overall. However 1/4000 would be a significant gripe.
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I think the point is:
Nikon D810 = £1850
Nikon D750 = £1300
The D750 has the same AF, better video (many people do care about this), and journalists are saying arguably the best IQ (or at least no worse than any other) of the Nikon line-up. As for CF... the benefits of that are debatable now that SD cards are getting faster and higher capacity all the time. Given the buffer on the D750 I can't see how a fast CF would bring many tangible benefits over the fastest SD's. Regarding the construction... the body is reportedly very solid and will likely prove very durable.
The D750 is getting universal praise for a good reason I think... seems like a great camera with many features form the top models, at a lower price-point.
Don't get me wrong, I think the D710is a fantastic camera, one of the best FF cameras you can buy from any manufacturer. The problem is Nikon has a very full and overlapping FF lineup of most of the best FF in the class.Excluding the D710 Nikon already has 4 FF cameras (D610, D810, D4s, Df) as new, with 4 more easily found new or manufactured or second hand that are all equally competitive (D610,D800, D800E, D4) and a further 2-3 FF camera from the last Generation that are also still competitive and worth considering but cant be found new (D700, D3, D3s). To note, the D700 has the similar professional 51pt autofocus and can delivery 8FPS. The D3s can be picked up at similar price points and does 9FPS (so if speed is important it is a consideration). You can also add the D7100 since it plays in the same ball park, 6FPs, 51pt pro AF that covers most of the frame, 24MP.
So there are 12 potentially alternatives to the D750, all with pros and cons and different prices. Between them they have pretty much every angle covered. Still there is likely a small segment where the D750 is the perfect camera. the issue is most people have already purchased one of the other 12 cameras, specifically D800/D810/D600(10)/Df.
Sure someone might think about upgrading their D600 or D700 body to the D750 but they are also likely to consider the D800 or D810. Put it this way, you can easily pick up a used but new condition D800 for less than a new D750 - I know what I would pick in a heart beat.
So in general there wont be a big market for this camera despite it being extremely good and great value for money. I don't think that it matters to Nikon much as the D750 is just a parts bin camera and was cheaply done. D610 sensor, D810 AF and ASIC, cheap D600/D7100 body etc. Not much design or new technology at all, just sharing parts, which is why Nikon could afford to release yet another FF camera in their saturated line up.
The choice is a more like this (new prices are lowest UK source, and ebay average for second ahnd):
D700: FF, 12MP, up to 8FPS, £500-600 second hand
D600: Similar D610 below, £700 second hand
D7100: 6FPs, 24MP (DX), 51pt AF, £750
D3: 9FPS, 12MP FF, pro body, £900 second hand
D610: 6FPS, 24MP, 42pt semi-pro AF, £1250
D800: 36MP, 4Fps but around 5.5FPs in 1.2x crop giving 24MP images, £1000-1100 second hand. New is more but there are refurbish ones for not much more than second hand prices
D800E: As above, no AA filter, £1200-1300 second hand
D750: 24MP, 6.5FPS, 51pt pro AF, £1750.00 (lowest UK price I can find)
D3s: 12MP, FF, 9FPS, best in class high ISO, £1700-1800 second hand
Df: 16MP, retro £2100
D810: 5FP, £2400
D4: £2400-2500 second hand
D4s: £5200
So when considering a D750 for way less money you could buy a D800 second hand in great condition, or a D3s for similar money and get 9FPS in a pro body, a D700 at a bargain price if you care about FF+FPS at low prices or D600.
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I think the point is:
Nikon D810 = £1850
Nikon D750 = £1300
The D750 has the same AF, better video (many people do care about this), and journalists are saying arguably the best IQ (or at least no worse than any other) of the Nikon line-up. As for CF... the benefits of that are debatable now that SD cards are getting faster and higher capacity all the time. Given the buffer on the D750 I can't see how a fast CF would bring many tangible benefits over the fastest SD's. Regarding the construction... the body is reportedly very solid and will likely prove very durable.
The D750 is getting universal praise for a good reason I think... seems like a great camera with many features form the top models, at a lower price-point.
Where are you getting those prices?
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Hong Kong sites. £1292 with a bank transfer.
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I thought I knew which site your were talking about but I'm seeing £1499?
its the one starts with P not the one starts with D or O.
yeah this camera looks like the best bits out of D810 and D610 and merged it into a wholesome package. hopefully it is good and not plagued with shutter oil splatter issue or the low pass filter in front of the sensor.
definitely a class beater this one. quite like the ideal of a carbon fiber body...rather than high grade plastic.
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I was thinking it was to be rivalling the 7D MK2, which is why I was confused.
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Out of all the camera's I would say the 7Dii is the least likely it's intended rival.
If anything, the 5D3 is currently it's closest rival (from another manufacturer).
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God dammit
If you guys not read Ross Harvey's review, don't….it will make you want one, even me…
The 5 stop under exposed push is utterly unbelievable, I would have binned that shot, it was just black to begin with.
If you guys not read Ross Harvey's review, don't….it will make you want one, even me…
The 5 stop under exposed push is utterly unbelievable, I would have binned that shot, it was just black to begin with.
That is the same as the D800 and D600 sensors TBH.
Same
Read it this morning, I think he'll be on free kit for life with that review!
What are the equivalent Canon/Nikon Models at the moment then?
1D / D4
5D3 / D750?
6D / D810?
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Read it this morning, I think he'll be on free kit for life with that review!
What are the equivalent Canon/Nikon Models at the moment then?
1D / D4
5D3 / D750?
6D / D810?
Canon don't really have a counterpart to the D8100/D810 although they have officially said that a high MP camera i coming soon:
http://www.canonrumors.com/2014/09/canon-says-higher-resolution-sensors-are-coming-soon/
So the current comparison is something like:
D4/D4s vs 1Dx
D800/D810 vs unmatched although the 5DMK3 is very similar part form sensor
D750 (D700 competes nicely here if 12MP is sufficient) vs 5Dmk3
D600/D610 vs 6D
Nikon Df vs unmatched
the Canon 7Dmk2 doesn't have a Nikon Counterpart but one is likely to appear at some point. However, the D7100 is fairly similar with 6FPS and 51pt Pro Autofocus, the buffer just isn't that deep. The D750 is also comparable.. The D810 could also be considered, it will do 6FPS in the 1.2x crop mode (24Mp images, 0.75stop bigger than APS-C) and 7FPS in 1.5x DX crop mode with grip (15.5MP). But as it stands Nikon don't have any professional geared DX camera which is a real shame.
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