Not much excitement for RDNA3, compared to the RTX 4000 series

[g67575]

Considering what an improvement RDNA and RDNA2 were, there doesn't seem to be much excitement for RDNA3. AMD's GPU roadmap shows a release date of Q4 2022, here:

https://media.game-debate.com/images/news/30148/_id1611585626_1406098.jpg

Last year, AMD's CEO said this about RDNA3 progress:
"We remain on-track to launch next-generation products in 2022, including our ... RDNA 3 GPUs".

According to AMD, RDNA 3 will feature 5nm process tech, a 50% performance per watt improvement, and 'rearchitected compute unit'(s):

The weakest part of RDNA2 was RT performance (relative to the RTX 3000 series), so hopefully AMD will tackle that too. Meanwhile Nvidia has still confirmed nothing about the RTX 4000 series, and apparently plan more RTX 3000 models with GDDR6X soon

 

[g67575]

Yup, but the successors of the 6800XT and 6900 XT are likely to be at least 50% faster - depending on how much power consumption is increased (this is what happened from RDNA1>RDNA2 at 4K resolution). A RX 6900 XT costs ~£750 right now, if they can offer their next gen cards at a similar price, with 50% improved 3D graphics and Ray tracing, these could be seriously competitive cards (both ahead of the RTX 3090 TI) , Nvidia's prices are likely to remain high though, due to their market share and performance lead.

If the RT performance isn't quite enough (60 FPS), many games with RT now have upscaling options... The main 'failure' of RDNA2, was the lack of production of GPU dies and VRAM (prices still not quite at MSRP for the top cards, and no reference models got sold to the UK), I think the situation is likely to be much improved with RDNA3. Meanwhile, the RTX 3080 10GB is getting very close to MSRP price (£650).

Demand is lower too for GPUs now, so in theory, prices should be more in line with expectations.

If I recall correctly, the RDNA2 Compute Unit's power consumption increases quite a lot at higher clock speeds, I'd be surprised if this isn't something AMD improves significantly with RDNA3 (cheaper than having a lot more CUs).

You need to watch AMD carefully, they are still trying to sell off their RDNA2 cards (above MSRP) before telling people about the next gen

 

[g67575]

To some extent, I think AMD missed the boat with RDNA2, lots of people bought Nvidia cards before they could reduce prices sufficiently on RDNA2 (even though these cards were a pretty large improvement vs RDNA gen 1). But, I think it will be a different story with RDNA3, especially if they can release 1 or 2 powerful cards by the end of the year.

It seems that Nvidia is not rushing to release their RTX 4000 series cards (maybe they only intend to launch the top tier RTX 4090 /TI cards this year?), so there's an opportunity for AMD to get ahead (if only for 2022).

 

[g67575]

I am very excited, it's possible that AMD will beat Nvidia for the first time in ages in all key areas.

I'm not sure. I'm not expecting them to beat Nvidia on ray tracing considering their advantage with the RTX 3000 series. But, a 100% improvement specifically in RT wouldn't be particularly surprising.

 

[g67575]

Like the others have said there have been almost no leaks for AMD

This is probably a good thing, what good are leaks if they are almost invariably wrong for graphics cards?

AMD still got RDNA2 cards to sell above MSRP

 

[g67575]

Oh yeah, I never take them 100% seriously but sometimes they have a hint of truth to them

That's true. I think people think they are leaking stuff they don't want people to know though, but usually it's stuff like VRAM sizes or whatever.

 

[g67575]

We will find out just how good AMD's chiplets are, Lisa Su confirmed RDNA 3 uses chiplets

It's probably not what you think. Assuming that they shrinking down the GPU die to 5nm EUV, I imagine that will be enough on it's own to deliver a decent performance improvement without requiring huge amounts of power (in combination with other optimizations). AMD has confirmed they are increasing the power reqs. for RDNA 3, so I would expect a max power consumption of between 350w-400w for the top GPU die, so they will need an improved cooling solution (considering that hotspot temps on the 6900 XT were ~95°C).

That would in theory allow RDNA3 to achieve an overall performance improvement of >50% vs RNDA2. But probably +50% improvement at 300w for the GPU die below the top tier.

 

[g67575]

Q4 2022? That's in the next 3 to 15 weeks.

Any reason to think the roadmap is incorrect?

 

[g67575]

when AMD are waiting this long there must have been internal delay and after delay.

Maybe they will just cancel the whole project

Did AMD break your sense of optimism?

No new consoles to worry about this year, so things just *might* improve.

 

[g67575]

Actually, I think the biggest question for AMD is, will production of RDNA3 cards be significantly higher than RDNA2 cards?

Will it be possible to buy reference model RDNA3 cards in most countries?

Does AMD even care about selling reference models any more, or is it all for show?

 

[g67575]

Might help if you get a house and don't live in a car

Plug in car to house. Or, plug in to someone else's house

 

[g67575]

@AthlonXP1800 - The design doesn't look too outlandish, compared to the 6900XT. 6 MCDs for presumably more infinity cache.

I hope they limit the TDP to 400w, allowing a little more for overclocking.

 

[g67575]

Definitely launching this year:

AMD to launch Radeon RX 7000 series on November 3rd - VideoCardz.com

AMD RDNA3 on November 3rd Radeon RX 7000 officially coming November. Scott Herkelman, Senior Vice President and General Manager at AMD Radeon, today confirmed the launch date for Radeon RX 7000 series. The new GPU series based on RDNA3 architecture will launch on November 3rd, so exactly 6 six...

videocardz.com

Good stuff, probably getting most of the generation this year I reckon.

 

[g67575]

wow, some huge price drops today, rtx 3080, rx 6800 XT and rx 6900 XT all priced between £420-£520. Looking like a great time to buy...

I'm wrong...

 

[g67575]

Yeah looks too good to be true actually, after looking at the prices of other sellers.

It's all from one seller too, so quite suspicious.

 

[g67575]

What are you most excited for?

Second half of 2022 will see a lot of exciting hardware releases. Which one gets you up at night?

www.techpowerup.com

RDNA 3 looks set to become the most exciting PC component to be released this year.

People don't seem bothered much about Intel's 13th gen.

 

[g67575]

One of my EVGA RTX 3080 fans was on the brink of failure (revving up and down, vibrating, making grinding noises), luckily CEX gave me me a full refund (£620).

I wonder if I should buy a RDNA3 card in Nov? Would there even be any that I could afford assuming the same budget?

Also, do we know when the RTX 4070 is coming out?

 

[g67575]

What would you guys be willing to pay for a RTX 4070? Would £600-£700 be too much?

It does seem like this card will still receive most of the benefits of the RTX 4000 series (e.g. improved ray tracing performance). I'm guessing 10/12GB of VRAM?

 

[g67575]

When the 3000 series is out of stock, it will come out.

Also this:
Nvidia’s CEO added: “I’m hoping by Q4 time frame, sometime in Q4, that the (sales) channel would have normalized, and it would have made room for a great launch for Ada.”
https://www.pcmag.com/news/why-no-geforce-rtx-4070-its-coming-nvidia-says

Best case scenario would be: the RTX 4070 ends up being a cut down version of the RTX 4080 12GB, using the same AD104 GPU die.

EDIT - This does seem to be the theory at the moment:
https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/nvidia-ad104.g1013

 

[g67575]

It does seem like it's pretty much a given that the top few RDNA3 GPUs should be able to beat the best AD104 GPUs (e.g. RTX 4080 12GB), probably both in 3D graphics and RT...

AMD has an opportunity with their next gen.