What's your point?
NVIDIA is setting the minimum prices with the reference /Founder's Editions. They probably think they should have set them higher last time (which ofc us consumers don't agree with).
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Not much excitement for RDNA3, compared to the RTX 4000 series
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NVIDIA is setting the minimum prices with the reference /Founder's Editions. They probably think they should have set them higher last time (which ofc us consumers don't agree with).
Donno it's that's true, but it's also clocked very high, is built with the 4nm EUV TSMC process, with apparently more cache.
The only thing that concerns me is the continued use of GDDR6X, which no doubt runs very hot. Never had a problem with my RTX 3070 FE.
EDIT - It's possible NVIDIA has made some improvements to either their cooling or VRAM, as the GDDR6X VRAM apparently peaks around 84 Celsius:
https://www.kitguru.net/components/...s/nvidia-rtx-4090-founders-edition-review/25/
Thermal imaging results looking good too:
https://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/msi_geforce_rtx_4090_suprim_liquid_x_review,8.html
Suppose we'll see.
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I don't think it matters much, any GPUs released based on the AD103 GPU die will stay stupidly expensive (RTX 4080 16gb, 4090 and 4090 TI probably next year).
It will be interesting to sell how RDNA 3 stacks up against the RTX 4080 16GB. I kind of think they should call it something else, since it's clearly a different product to the 12GB variant.
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Yeah nothing bizarre about this, it's based on a different chip to the RTX 4080 16GB.
NVIDIA cancels GeForce RTX 4080 12GB - VideoCardz.com
NVIDIA scraps RTX 4080 12GB In a bizarre move, NVIDIA decided to cancel the RTX 4080 12GB SKU before it was even released. Facing never-ending criticism, NVIDIA has just announced it will not launch GeForce RTX 4080 12GB model, the card that we knew and will always know as RTX 4070. In a...videocardz.com
nVidia have pulled the 4080 12gb....which just means they'll call it the 4070 instead! (like everyone was anyway)
It's quite annoying actually, because it is likely to delay the launch of the top AD104 GPU (previously named the RTX 4080GB 12GB), that will now likely be called the RTX 4070 and could basically cost the same as it did before it was renamed.
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It doesn't make sense to compare them in this way.
4nm based AD104 has more transistors than 8nm based GA102, used for the RTX 3090 TI.
https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/nvidia-ad104.g1013
https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/nvidia-ga102.g930
There's a significant difference in transistor density - 121.4M / mm² vs 45.1M / mm².
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I'm curious about why you want bigger die sizes for GPUs. Greater transistor density (on more power efficient process technologies) is desirable from a design point of view, not die size.
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You have a point about the AD104 die - The chip previously named 'RTX 4080 12gb' only has a total memory bandwidth of 503.8 GB/s
Noticeably less than the RTX 3080 10GB.
https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/geforce-rtx-4080-12-gb.c3932
On the other hand, there's much more L2 cache than the previous gen.
Noticeably less than the RTX 3080 10GB.
https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/geforce-rtx-4080-12-gb.c3932
On the other hand, there's much more L2 cache than the previous gen.
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It's only good news if they release the Founders Edition of this GPU for a much lower price, and keep to the release schedule.
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BS - at least 50% performance improvement according to AMD. Generally, AMD don't fib about their performance estimates, nor do they advertise them loudly either.
They have said power consumption will increase too, so they are clearly scaling their design up, not just building RDNA2 on 5nm.
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Are you worried RDNA3 will best your RTX 3090 lol. Lets be honest, it's quite likely.
AMD just isn't that far behind in RT.
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I mean, it helps to be realistic. I don't care about the branding, just what they price the Founders Editions at.So if Nvidia make it an RTX4070 series,they have managed to fool people into pushing a small core up another level!
It's not going to £400-£500 for a card that has better performance than the RTX3080 (as much as I wish it could be), even if RDNA3 is brilliant.
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It's mostly that Nvidia is still ahead, has been for a long time. No need to rush rumours out, when I'm sure they've still got loads of high end, high priced rdna2 cards to shift. So, they don't mention the November release date often.
6800 XTs still going for £700 ish.
Judging by 6900XT pricing, I reckon there's not many left of this model (I doubt they produced many anyway).
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Oh well, lol. This is why people should ignore upscaling features when buying cards now.
I hope most games let you choose between DLSS 2 and 3.
DLSS 2 is already a hell of a performance boost, I'm sceptical they will be able to improve performance much more.
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RTX3070 or RTX3070TI level performance if it is clocked very high? Even if it was an RTX3080,it would be around 20% to 25% faster than an RTX3070. Now think how much it was price at? £900. Even if it was rebranded as an RTX4070 12GB,it would be over £500. If it was sold as an RTX3060 replacement it would be a very big upgrade. But Nvidia doesn't want to do this!
I think you seem a bit obsessed. The impression I got was that the RTX4080 12GB has a bit better performance in non RT games and better RT performance than the RTX 3080. Considering it will now likely be marketed as the RTX 4070, that seems OK to me. The cooling is likely to be improved too, and there will a decent amount of VRAM (4GB more than the RTX 3070).
Only issue is pricing, it needs to come down a lot.
I don't think there's any special sauce in the RTX 4000 series (similar architecture to Ampere, better RT), what you get is a die shrink and better cooling.
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I still think an RTX 3060 TI is enough, especially for 1080p.
It's a shame these cards are still being sold at £400+
Tbh if buying right now, definitely get the FE as these are still being sold on the website at MSRP. Shame there is still the 1 per household rule! Best bet is to get someone else to buy 1 for you if someone in your household already bought one, circumventing this rule now seems to be otherwise impossible.
RT is purely nice to have.
Or the equally decent RX 6700 XT:
It's a shame these cards are still being sold at £400+
Tbh if buying right now, definitely get the FE as these are still being sold on the website at MSRP. Shame there is still the 1 per household rule! Best bet is to get someone else to buy 1 for you if someone in your household already bought one, circumventing this rule now seems to be otherwise impossible.
RT is purely nice to have.
Or the equally decent RX 6700 XT:
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I think it all comes down to the reference models. Perhaps they will only produce more internationally, if customers simply refuse to buy from third party manufacturers at much higher prices.
For AMD, it's as if the reference models are the elephant in the room, which must not be seriously discussed.
It's pretty obvious that Nvidia is not interested in meeting demand, when they set and rigorously enforce 1 per household rules for all reference models in a series. They are not your friend, they just want to extract as much money from customers as they can 'afford'.
For AMD, it's as if the reference models are the elephant in the room, which must not be seriously discussed.
It's pretty obvious that Nvidia is not interested in meeting demand, when they set and rigorously enforce 1 per household rules for all reference models in a series. They are not your friend, they just want to extract as much money from customers as they can 'afford'.
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Wonderful. Are you implying that the problem is partially/mostly due to the UK no longer being in the EU?
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