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Not much excitement for RDNA3, compared to the RTX 4000 series

Did they even get that many RDNA2 reference models in the US? They made a big deal about saying they were still going to produce some (after rumours that they were cancelled), as if we are meant to be really appreciative.

they made some odd third party reference models too, which confuses things further.
 
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I think many people assume AMD is trying to beat Nvidia, but I think both companies don't care, as they can produce the optimum amount of cards, with optimum market segmentation, at the 'optimum' price.

AMD still makes most of their money from selling CPUs. Logically, it's probably better to focus most of their investment there.

It's not really in their interests to out produce each other, unless they can scale the production at low cost. They seem to have 'just enough' capacity at the moment. I would guess that scaling up chip production is always a big risk, financially.

If we use Zen 4 CPUs on TSMC's 5nm EUV process tech as an example, these are priced higher than most seem comfortable with - Therefore I don't expect improved prices for an even more complex product, like RDNA3 GPUs + MCM dies.

Nvidia's CEO has stated that the production cost of their latest 4nm GPUs has increased significantly.

One positive thing, is that Nvidia is using 4nm for the next gen, AMD is using 5nm + 6nm. So, hopefully, they won't be competing much for capacity.
 
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So, it does sound like Nvidia will be reducing the price of the top AD104 GPU, according to one of the partner companies:
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NVIDIA Cancels the RTX 4080 12GB After Backlash

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'They're not that stupid' in response to keeping the same price.

Still, I'm not optimistic on the pricing...

It's pretty bad timing, because I actually need to buy a new GPU this year (borrowing a gfx card atm), and it sounds like the RTX 4070 is going to be delayed until Q1 2023, or maybe even later, because it will take a while to repackage and update the firmware of these GPUs.
 
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If AMD can do a 6700 XT successor, with RX 6950X like performance, and improved RT for £400-£500, I think they will be winning pretty hard. In reality, the prices will likely be above a typical MSRP price (unless AMD actually decides to sell a lot more reference models!).

This card in particular, I think still offers very good 1080p performance, and reasonable value (at least, it does now).

AMD, like Nvidia has an unfortunate habit of releasing far too many similar products (with different variations like RAM sizes and types), which tends to only push up prices for consumers even more. This is likely to happen with the successors to the 6800, 6800 XT and 6900 XT.
 
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I wonder if there is any chance of a RX 6700 XT successor, that is ~50% faster, and costs 50% more?

That would mean it would cost around £600, as the cheapest 6700 XTs cost just under £400 at the moment.

I'd probably be willing to pay another £50 for a card that is another 10% faster, and so on. But definitely no more than £700!

Alternatively, it could be priced based on the 6700 XT's MSRP price of 479 USD, plus 20% VAT, which is approx. £470. Then another 50% on top...

The problem is, I need a card by the end of December really (I'm borrowing a RTX 3070 until then), so it looks like I'm going to be stuck with the onboard graphics chip on my Zen 4 CPU for a little while.
 
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No doubt AMD wants to sell lots more RDNA2 cards over Christmas, maybe we won't even hear anything about the 7700 XT and 7800 XT until January or February 2023.
 
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It does seem pretty ridiculous that new RTX 3080 10GB cards are still frequently being sold for ~£1000.

>2 years after release.

Even £800 is a rip off.

What the hell happened, surely that can't all be down to inflation?
 
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tbh, I'm very interested in the price of the RTX 4070.

Will this be a mass market product, like the RTX 3070, or not?

I think there's almost an obsession with the technology and new features (Ray Tracing, DLSS 3, 1000 FPS displays etc), ultimately the only interesting /relevant thing to 90% of buyers will be the price. The only thing that really matters is are new GPUs affordable?

The other thing people obsess over is seeing generational improvements (even if the last generation was considered unaffordable to many).

Good launch day reviews never make up for overpriced products.
 
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gpuerrilla said:
The question will be is the 4070 worth the wait when its likely going to be no better than a 3080 and cost more.
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Nvidia isn't that stupid. They are very focused on maximizing their profits though.

Nvidia is going to face a lot of competition from AMD, against their RTX 4070, and probable RTX 4070 TI, likely in the first and 2nd quarters of 2023.
 
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Joxeon said:
Some people need to be told more than once before they understand. ;)
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I think we all understood, then promptly moved on :)

Surely, we know by now not to judge a book by it's cover, in this case, the product model numbers of unreleased products?
 
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That's a good point from MLID. A RTX 4070 sold at $600 would be an unprecedented gap between the mid tier product, and the high end (RTX 4080 16GB - MSRP 1199).
 
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tbf, Nvidia made it pretty clear early on that the upcoming generation was 'Ampere Next'. I.e. nothing really new:

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But I guess, the hype train gonna hype.

Ampere Next is a scaled up version of Ampere, with better cooling on a much denser fabrication process, with higher power usage at the high end. Same GDDR6X, but a bit faster.

It's likely to be a similar thing for the imaginatively named 'Ampere Next Next'. Which will likely utilize TSMC's 3nm technology, or possibly Samsung's 3nm if it ends up cheaper...

They are exaggerating their rate of progress, as it's really leaps every 2 years, not every year...
 
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