Not much excitement for RDNA3, compared to the RTX 4000 series

[humbug]

Chuff Chuff Chuff....... Choo Choo.

 

[Darujhistan]

hmm.... I am thinking 7950, 7970, 7990.



Although they had those back a decade or so ago I believe.

Taken from WFFTech comments section.


That nomenclature takes me back...my 7950 was a cracker.

 

[Angilion]

hmm.... I am thinking 7950, 7970, 7990.



Although they had those back a decade or so ago I believe.

Taken from WFFTech comments section.


That nomenclature takes me back...my 7950 was a cracker.

So was mine...once I undervolted it heavily. That was the card that introduced me to undervolting. Prior to that, I'd been thinking only of overclocking for increasing performance. It was only after I did some asking about and some studying of hardware monitoring logs for my 7950 that I realised things had changed and voltage could be more important than clock speed for performance. It was the temps that were my target initially - the GPU was fine but the VRMs were toasty. Which was actually also fine. They were well under rated temps, but hotter than I was happy with. The cooler was designed that way - prioritise cooling the GPU at the cost of anything else. IIRC I got ~30% performance increase while also dropping temps by almost 20C and dropping noise as well. The card was hugely over-volted out the box. I ended up taking something in the region of 20% off it. I'm guessing the manufacturer was chasing clock speeds for advertising purposes (it was a "premium" AIB model with a heavy emphasis on much higher than stock clocks, though thankfully this was before a thousand lumens of go-faster LED stripes was considered "premium" for some reason) and considered that more important than actual performance. Which it probably was in business terms. Like go-faster LEDs today.

Hmm...7950 10th Anniversary Edition. Bundled with the top 10 best selling PC games from 2012. That would probably be cheaper for AMD than bundling it with a single modern game. Advertising video switching from 2012 graphics at maybe 1280x1024 to 2022 graphics at 4K. Gist of it being showing the rapid improvements in tech, emphasising AMD of course since it would be their adverts.

 

[Calin Banc]

Better when it comes to IQ is subjective and if you’ve previously bought nVidia, it’ll probably stay that way.

Again, nVidia’s marketing is genius. Convincing people to fork out for expensive hardware, just so they get access to software to generate fake frames.

I’m not sure what AMD can do to pull people away from nVidia. I mean I don’t use nvenc or CUDA or RT so those don’t really matter to me which gives me more choice.

You’ll get people citing the list above, who don’t even use those features, as a reason to not switch.

Do another 290/x, but this time around make sure reviewers are getting cards that have a proper cooling solution. Availability at the same competitive prices that were back then (r290/x days), plus good drivers from start won't hurt as well.
By good drivers I mean drivers that don't need another 6-12 months to get that extra 10-20% left behind here and there.

And AMD can also make partners with game studios to promote:
- tressFX
- GPU accelerated AI (crowds) - > see Froblins demo
- Bullet implemented in games as GPU accelerated (similar to physix)
-> also other physics heavy games/gameplay mechanics since it can offer both the CPUs and GPUs to handle them
- true audio or some proper 3d audio GPU accelerated solution
....

You can add whatever you want to the list.

Personally I liked more AMD's drivers than nVIDIA's.

 

[Besty]

I'm looking forward to ******** on AMD's RT perfomance again though.

I hope you enjoyed your free trial of Nvidian speech translator.

looking forward to reading all the repeat posters talking about Control, RT and DLSS performance on the 4080/4090 like, its the only game in their world.

 

[arknor]

I’m not sure what AMD can do to pull people away from nVidia. I mean I don’t use nvenc or CUDA or RT so those don’t really matter to me which gives me more choice.

You'd use RT if you had a GPU fast enough, Cyberpunk on psycho RT at 100+ FPS in Ultrawide looks amazing

Imagine a GPU that could do that and still only hit 55c !

 

[sparkymark75]

You'd use RT if you had a GPU fast enough, Cyberpunk on psycho RT at 100+ FPS in Ultrawide looks amazing

Imagine a GPU that could do that and still only hit 55c !

No, I don't tend to play many single player story games so have no need for RT.

 

[gpuerrilla]

You'd use RT if you had a GPU fast enough, Cyberpunk on psycho RT at 100+ FPS in Ultrawide looks amazing

Imagine a GPU that could do that and still only hit 55c !

Watched a few CP video's and the 4090. It looks like it still struggles when DLSS cant bail it out. Most enthusiasts would call that poor game optimisation or something because it can tear through other games rather well. CP just needs some attention as Im sure the card is ideal for playing it especially with a top CPU.

 

[dave28]

there would be if they took the opportunity to undercut Nvidia by a good chunk but i would bet they will price in a suspiciously similar way, almost like the whole thing is rigged

 

[Gerard]

Do another 290/x, but this time around make sure reviewers are getting cards that have a proper cooling solution. Availability at the same competitive prices that were back then (r290/x days), plus good drivers from start won't hurt as well.
By good drivers I mean drivers that don't need another 6-12 months to get that extra 10-20% left behind here and there.

And AMD can also make partners with game studios to promote:
- tressFX
- GPU accelerated AI (crowds) - > see Froblins demo
- Bullet implemented in games as GPU accelerated (similar to physix)
-> also other physics heavy games/gameplay mechanics since it can offer both the CPUs and GPUs to handle them
- true audio or some proper 3d audio GPU accelerated solution
....

You can add whatever you want to the list.

Personally I liked more AMD's drivers than nVIDIA's.

The amd setup for the control panel is a lot better than what nvidia have as well, nvidia's looks like something designed to match with windows xp, its functional but basic..and slow. I just downloaded the latest geforce drivers for my gpu (3080) arriving tomorrow 801mb..almost a gig for drivers. Somehow i've not even noticed the driver packages being gargantuan compared to what they used to be. I still remember a driver package being like 25-30mb tops.

The problem amd have is nomatter what they do they're always somehow seen as second best, the ghost of drivers past still persists today and even laypeople have heard of "the amd driver issues" and steer clear of the cards as a result. THis has been an ongoing thing since the rage fury maxx back in 1996, that's where this reputation started and here we are nearly 30 years later and the warcry is still there.

It's mental that people are apparently so deluded that they think an issue from so long ago hasn't been corrected, but you just have to look at reviews of amd gpu's and you will see plenty of posts talking about "bad drivers". It really is mindboggling that thats the ongoing opinion that seems to still be doing the rounds.

 

[gpuerrilla]

The problem amd have is nomatter what they do they're always somehow seen as second best, the ghost of drivers past still persists today and even laypeople have heard of "the amd driver issues" and steer clear of the cards as a result. THis has been an ongoing thing since the rage fury maxx back in 1996, that's where this reputation started and here we are nearly 30 years later and the warcry is still there.

I think this (from other pro AMD members mentioned in the past) what I deduced is from propaganda/smear promotional spiel that is echoed every gen. The real shame is even if you look at ampere in the nvidia driver thread there are posts where certain releases that have issues so people roll back. Both vendors have similar issues and most occasions you can just revert to a better driver if you know how to use software. Having used both over the years I cannot see why its a big deal but I guess there is a culture of install>play and has to be infallible from the console type user perspective otherwise they have a meltdown.

 

[Grim5]

Watched a few CP video's and the 4090. It looks like it still struggles when DLSS cant bail it out. Most enthusiasts would call that poor game optimisation or something because it can tear through other games rather well. CP just needs some attention as Im sure the card is ideal for playing it especially with a top CPU.

Optimisation for Ray Tracing sounds fancy, when in reality it simply means lowering the graphics settings

if the developer eventually comes out with a new patch and says "we improved performance by 50% via optimizing" what they're actually saying is be lowered the RT image quality settings by 50%

 

[Purgatory]

I think this (from other pro AMD members mentioned in the past) what I deduced is from propaganda/smear promotional spiel that is echoed every gen. The real shame is even if you look at ampere in the nvidia driver thread there are posts where certain releases that have issues so people roll back. Both vendors have similar issues and most occasions you can just revert to a better driver if you know how to use software. Having used both over the years I cannot see why its a big deal but I guess there is a culture of install>play and has to be infallible from the console type user perspective otherwise they have a meltdown.

I also think 522.25 the new driver released recently is a bit funky, I ran Shadow of the tomb raider on it for the first time in ages to benchmark 2 x 3090s in sli as one of the few games that uses 2 x 3090 and I ran it at first on the older drivers I had installed that were a good few behind the recent one and ran perfectly fine, then ran it on the new drivers I got a slightly better result but at the loading screen on the benchmark noticed some strange artifacts while the loading was happening right on the edges of the loading screen that is solid black as its 16:9 but I ran it on a 32:9 and saw what would normally not be seen on a 16:9 screen, the benchmark ran perfectly fine no signs of anything strange but only at the loading screen.

So something is a little off with these drivers and also noticed they do push power use a little more, my whole system is at stock and no overclocks apart from XMP enabled for the ram for 3600mhz, everything else stock.

Not used the machine enough since updating the drivers or tested with other things yet but my work is fine with the drivers and normally why I don't update drivers often is as I'm using the machine for work and try to keep stability over anything else. Need to update shadow of the tomb raider to the latest version too as it was running an older version I noticed too, but was fine for a quick test as was wanting to see what I get compared to people on 4090s and still 2 x 3090 is a little faster than a single 4090, but again people were using 7950x oc-ed and I'm on stock 5950x and can see I'm not getting gpu bound on parts of the test, so will have a play more when I have time and stick some benchmarks up in the SOTTR benchmarks thread as people now have fast computers with decent gpus now as before wouldn't have been fair to stick results in with 2 x 3090s as no one else had that setup and when I looked back then I was basically getting double what anyone got then.

 

[arknor]

Watched a few CP video's and the 4090. It looks like it still struggles when DLSS cant bail it out. Most enthusiasts would call that poor game optimisation or something because it can tear through other games rather well. CP just needs some attention as Im sure the card is ideal for playing it especially with a top CPU.

I get 100fps+ psycho no DLSS at 3440x1440

 

[humbug]

I think this (from other pro AMD members mentioned in the past) what I deduced is from propaganda/smear promotional spiel that is echoed every gen. The real shame is even if you look at ampere in the nvidia driver thread there are posts where certain releases that have issues so people roll back. Both vendors have similar issues and most occasions you can just revert to a better driver if you know how to use software. Having used both over the years I cannot see why its a big deal but I guess there is a culture of install>play and has to be infallible from the console type user perspective otherwise they have a meltdown.

The thing is, every problem that Nvidia have, AMD is always 10X worse, that's how this works.

Techspot just wrote a long rambling article about the increasing power consumption of PC components and every time they used an example to make a negative point it was AMD they cited, never Nvidia or Intel, AMD.
Its the same when Steve Burke Cited AMD as "lying" about TDP for using 120 watts and not the claimed 105, and ignored Intel entirely.

Tech Journalists also still talk about "AMD's bad drivers" and maybe if there lucky say that its not a problem these days or that they have improved.

This is why this crap keeps sticking.

 

[gpuerrilla]

Optimisation for Ray Tracing sounds fancy, when in reality it simply means lowering the graphics settings

if the developer eventually comes out with a new patch and says "we improved performance by 50% via optimizing" what they're actually saying is be lowered the RT image quality settings by 50%

Its almost a modern crysis replacement. The thing is although its a reasonable game overall, it can probably be refined to perform way better and not cripple high end machines. Strangely when other games run like dogs on the hardware its accepted as it was a poorly optimised game!

 

[humbug]

Jay just made a video calling Nvidia out on this, and good on him.

But if this was AMD, do we think the rest of the internet would have been silent on it?

 

[gpuerrilla]

But if this was AMD, do we think the rest of the internet would have been silent on it?

Impossible, the excusers would be out in full force. They can get away with it for a long while till anything sticks I'm afraid.

 

[Purgatory]

Jay just made a video calling Nvidia out on this, and good on him.

But if this was AMD, do we think the rest of the internet would have been silent on it?

New 7000 series AMD cards will have this same connector too... So we have yet to see if they have any fireworks at the connector end.

 

[humbug]

Remember the videos they all made when AMD's RX 460 pulled 80 watts through the 75 watt PCIe?

Good Grief it was a whole lot of nothing and they all acted like AMD deliberately created a fire hazard to kill children in their sleep.