That's what will be very interesting to see, as we all know, first gen versions of new tech such as that are never that good and have issues, it's usually the second or 3rd gen when all the kinks have been ironed out. Not to mention what about compatibility and drivers to get the best from it? Will developers need to do some additional tweaking on the game end to get the best from it too?
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Not much excitement for RDNA3, compared to the RTX 4000 series
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That's what will be very interesting to see, as we all know, first gen versions of new tech such as that are never that good and have issues, it's usually the second or 3rd gen when all the kinks have been ironed out. Not to mention what about compatibility and drivers to get the best from it? Will developers need to do some additional tweaking on the game end to get the best from it too?
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Can you really see AMD going the way of Vega again? Polaris and onwards has been an upward trend in terms of outright performance, performance per watt and featureset. Based on the way things are moving, I'm likely to buy an RDNA3 based GPU despite it not being supported by PyTorch and not being quite as good at VR than NVidia offerings...
It's bloody annoying! I said I wanted an NV GPU "next time", but they're just being ugghh.
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This.
At least nVIDIA is pushing forward with RT/PT and DLSS.
AMD is working overtime to catch up, but if they'll be ending up short, at about the same price, not much to be exited about.
Remember 290/X which offered about the same performance at nVIDIA's best at half the price? That's exciting. The rest is meh. Even more so with Ryzen.
I stated both for the sake of allowing anyone who reads it to come to their own opinion.
My opinion from what I've seen in AMD since they've released ryzen and have had cash in their back pocket; is that the chances of RDNA 3 reverting back to old days of utterly missing the mark is very small. I expect them to be in contention for the top spot.
Nvidia got lucky last time, a combination of them catching wind of AMD being on a resurgence (and AMD not realising how much they had gained on Nvidia) gave Nvidia the opportunity to avoid the fatal mistake of releasing what we now call the 3070, as the 3080. I'll leave you all to imagine what would have happened if they didn't know how close AMD was to them.
AMD probably laments not holding their cards close to their chest with RDNA 2 and now they know they are within spitting distance of Nvidia, they won't be making the same mistake twice.
There will be a clashing of circuitry this winter and I've got my popcorn ready.
Edit: Also AMD has joined the pytorch foundation.
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What fatal mistake?
https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/geforce-rtx-3070.c3674
Looking at the relative performance chart there, 6800 is about 10% faster than the 3070.
AMD Radeon RX 6800 Review
The Radeon RX 6800 is the world's most power-efficient graphics card, better than anything NVIDIA Ampere has to offer. The smaller brother to the RX 6800 XT comes with a smaller heatsink, at more affordable pricing, but retains the lavish 16 GB VRAM memory buffer.
looking at the price, rx6800 was $580 while rtx3070 was $500
So 10% better, for 16% more money. RT performance however is worse, so the win goes to nVIDIA.
Considering AMD's recent record, if 3070 would have came out at 3080 price as 3080, most likely AMD would have priced their cards accordingly.
Plus you can always launch new cards, name them differently, apply discounts, etc. But... why even bother with that when miners would have bought everything anyway?
That's a lot of words to say that you believe AMD would have raised their price to match.What fatal mistake?
https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/geforce-rtx-3070.c3674
Looking at the relative performance chart there, 6800 is about 10% faster than the 3070.
AMD Radeon RX 6800 Review
The Radeon RX 6800 is the world's most power-efficient graphics card, better than anything NVIDIA Ampere has to offer. The smaller brother to the RX 6800 XT comes with a smaller heatsink, at more affordable pricing, but retains the lavish 16 GB VRAM memory buffer.www.techpowerup.com
looking at the price, rx6800 was $580 while rtx3070 was $500
So 10% better, for 16% more money. RT performance however is worse, so the win goes to nVIDIA.
Considering AMD's recent record, if 3070 would have came out at 3080 price as 3080, most likely AMD would have priced their cards accordingly.
Plus you can always launch new cards, name them differently, apply discounts, etc. But... why even bother with that when miners would have bought everything anyway?
Also everyone keeps talking about AMD recent record while ignoring that at the time their CPU was the undisputed king of gaming. Are you saying that AMD GPUs where the undisputed king of gaming now? That's news to me.
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No, they were greedy with the CPUs as well.
So before the 5000 series people had an issue with AMD CPU pricing?
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Some don't have an issue with the pricing of the 5xxx series, "they worth it".
Is fine to think AMD would have "crushed" nVIDIA if the later would have sold the 3070 as 3080. Just don't hold your breath with the next series. If both will be equal, prices will be equal and people will still ask themselves "why more people don't buy AMD?!". Same as this gen.
You dodged my question like neo dodging bullets.Some don't have an issue with the pricing of the 5xxx series, "they worth it".
Is fine to think AMD would have "crushed" nVIDIA if the later would have sold the 3070 as 3080. Just don't hold your breath with the next series. If both will be equal, prices will be equal and people will still ask themselves "why more people don't buy AMD?!". Same as this gen.
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Like I've said, excuses have been found for AMD in terms of their pricing. Is not just with 5xxx, but with previous ones as well. Just as some will excuse the GPUs going up in price as well.
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Really hope AMD knock it out the park this time around.
I fancy going back to a radeon card.
I fancy going back to a radeon card.
So your saying that in some corner of the internet you found one person that wasn't happy with AMD pricing before the 5000 series, hence you said they've been greedy with their CPU pricing in general. Cool got ya.
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Yeah just saw that. Looks like it is mostly for their enterprise products though, MIXXX compute cards at the moment
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That's not what I've said. Quite the contrary, often times I saw people saying it was fine for them to raise prices, both for CPU and GPU. nVIDIA was just as well defended for rising the prices citing stuff like inflation, processes, etc. - these reasons were given for both companies.
There was a general hype (and still is) about AMD, that it managed to get up and truly compete with Intel that all the rest didn't matter much. And nVIDIA, well, it always has its fans and probably, like AMD, some shareholders amongst its fans pumping them up wherever possible. It baffles the mind how some end users were defending higher prices like when you'd go to buy a house or a car, instead of having your own interest at heart, you'd be like "neah, this deserves more, I wanna pay more!".
Look for how much time there wasn't a 5600 or 5700x so people with lesser budgets couldn't upgrade to cheaper alternative. That was greed since they just sold the more expensive CPU for higher profits. Which is fine after all, but still greed.
6600 launch for $320 dollars, matching the 3060 which was the same at its launch, for about the same performance.
6700xt $479, while 3060ti was $399 for about the same performance, weaker RT
6800 $579 vs 3070 $499 for a little bit more rasterization performance, weaker RT
6800xt $649 vs 3080 $699 - about the same performance, weaker RT
6900xt $999 vs 3090 $1499 - obvious silly price on the nVIDIA side, about the same performance, weaker RT.
You can just look at the last part with graphics cards, with the exception of 6900xt, it kinda was about the same price as nVIDIA - with nVIDIA being the better buy perhaps with 3060ti vs. 6700xt. So, to go back to the original reply, I don't think AMD would have done anything shocking in terms of price wars with nVIDIA if 3070 class GPU would have been sold as 3080. They would've priced it accordingly for maximizing profits and not the gamer's needs.
Anyway, I do hope that you're right and AMD with these next gen GPUs will bring better solutions for people around 3-$400 budget, but also higher up, driving competition in the interest of gamers. If not, c'est la vie, we can always upgrade later on.
Both vendors cards will be astonishingly fast, its going to come down to what type of form factor you want and whether its available.
Powercolor/Sapphire are producing great cards in many exotic non-air cooled configurations that are available to buy, EVGA is great for window-shopping
For my main rig I am going to need a card with a pre-fitted block I think, if the cost is going to be 800 quid plus, which it will be for the top tier cards. I think a block is essential if these cards are going to pull 600+ watts and there's not been many good Nvidia options, historically, outside of EVGA and Gigabyte.
Either that or go down the laptop route again with a 4070 class GPU and accept that is all I really need for Total War WH3, because that is probably the main game that matters when these cards are released, it will be the benchmark imho. It is looking like the 4070 will do 90fps @ 1440p and 60fps @ 4k and maybe that's all I need.
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People have almost always been more interested in Nvidia releases than ATI/AMD ones.
All that changes pretty damn quickly if the Red Team shows a genuine advantage.
All that changes pretty damn quickly if the Red Team shows a genuine advantage.
I disagree with you there. AMD simply did not have the stock to hurt Nvidia no matter how hard they messed up. It's Nvidia who regrets not pricing their GPUs higher.
I believe they are linked. AMD never expected to be so close to Nvidia. Wasn’t the 6900xt a late decision after seeing how the 3090 performed? I don’t think they expected to be competing with the 102 die.
Because they didn’t expect to be so close they bought the wafers they thought they would need based on historical sales performance.
I think we can all agree It would be a foolish financial decision to think you are going to sell enough GPUs to service say 50% of the GPU market when historically your competition has been way ahead of you in performance and you’ve only sold enough GPUs for >10% of the market.