Not much excitement for RDNA3, compared to the RTX 4000 series

Hostile_18 · 29 Sep 2022 at 20:42

If they had something at the top end that rivals the 4090 I feel like we'd know it, or their marketing department really sucks. Probably going to be great below that though, especially with how badly positioned the 4080 skus feel.

bfar · 29 Sep 2022 at 21:03

Hostile_18 said:
If they had something at the top end that rivals the 4090 I feel like we'd know it, or their marketing department really sucks. Probably going to be great below that though, especially with how badly positioned the 4080 skus feel.

Did we actually get proper rasterisation benchmarks from Nvidia's presentation? I didn't get a great sense of where the 4090 really lands beyond DLSS 3.0. Nvidia is being unusually coy about performance too.

Chuk_Chuk · 29 Sep 2022 at 21:05

JediFragger said:
FFS AMD can you *please* leak some numbers/features to whet our appetites at least!!!

I'm surprised there hasn't been more info after the Nvidia press conference. Maybe it is because the launch of the actual lovelace cards are so far away. Maybe they are waiting for actual number on the 4090 so they know what to leak.

Chuk_Chuk · 29 Sep 2022 at 21:06

bfar said:
Did we actually get proper rasterisation benchmarks from Nvidia's presentation? I didn't get a great sense of where the 4090 really lands beyond DLSS 3.0. Nvidia is being unusually coy about performance too.

They showed 3 games that were raster and only 1 or 2 didn't involve DLSS.

JediFragger · 29 Sep 2022 at 21:09

Chuk_Chuk said:
I'm surprised there hasn't been more info after the Nvidia press conference.

This is what surprised me too, they need to be more aggressive for sure in the spot they're in. Not like they're shipping more than 20% of cards atm!

Hoping for leaks within the next few days personally, at least enough to give us a feel of what to expect.

Hostile_18 · 29 Sep 2022 at 21:13

bfar said:
Did we actually get proper rasterisation benchmarks from Nvidia's presentation? I didn't get a great sense of where the 4090 really lands beyond DLSS 3.0. Nvidia is being unusually coy about performance too.

There was a bit more information yesterday via digital foundry on Spiderman and Cyberpunk.

Spiderman native 4k max RT gives me 55-65 fps on my 3080.

Same settings on a 4090 native 4k RT give 110-125.

g67575 · 13 Oct 2022 at 18:28

One of my EVGA RTX 3080 fans was on the brink of failure (revving up and down, vibrating, making grinding noises), luckily CEX gave me me a full refund (£620).

I wonder if I should buy a RDNA3 card in Nov? Would there even be any that I could afford assuming the same budget?

Also, do we know when the RTX 4070 is coming out?

brostradamus · 13 Oct 2022 at 18:35

i doubt if a 4070 will ever be released.. or its going to be a very long wait

Chuk_Chuk · 13 Oct 2022 at 18:40

g67575 said:
Also, do we know when the RTX 4070 is coming out?

When the 3000 series is out of stock, it will come out.

g67575 · 13 Oct 2022 at 21:00

What would you guys be willing to pay for a RTX 4070? Would £600-£700 be too much?

It does seem like this card will still receive most of the benefits of the RTX 4000 series (e.g. improved ray tracing performance). I'm guessing 10/12GB of VRAM?

g67575 · 13 Oct 2022 at 21:05

Chuk_Chuk said:
When the 3000 series is out of stock, it will come out.

Also this:
Nvidia’s CEO added: “I’m hoping by Q4 time frame, sometime in Q4, that the (sales) channel would have normalized, and it would have made room for a great launch for Ada.”
https://www.pcmag.com/news/why-no-geforce-rtx-4070-its-coming-nvidia-says

Best case scenario would be: the RTX 4070 ends up being a cut down version of the RTX 4080 12GB, using the same AD104 GPU die.

EDIT - This does seem to be the theory at the moment:
https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/nvidia-ad104.g1013

RavenXXX2 · 13 Oct 2022 at 21:14

g67575 said:
What would you guys be willing to pay for a RTX 4070? Would £600-£700 be too much?

It does seem like this card will still receive most of the benefits of the RTX 4000 series (e.g. improved ray tracing performance). I'm guessing 10/12GB of VRAM?

**** no.

Joe Jones · 13 Oct 2022 at 22:30

Unless nVidia can use the new architecture to push some big boost clocks on the 4070, the way they've cut down the cores and memory bandwidth the 4070 is going to be really lackluster. It'll have trouble placing itself near the 3080 and won't be priced competitively either.

The only thing going for it is DLSS 3.0 and at the moment the big FPS is from the fake frame generation which has it's place in some games but generally you won't be using it due to the increased latency. Of course DLSS 3.0 could improve over time and make that better but I doubt it.

g67575 · 13 Oct 2022 at 22:35

It does seem like it's pretty much a given that the top few RDNA3 GPUs should be able to beat the best AD104 GPUs (e.g. RTX 4080 12GB), probably both in 3D graphics and RT...

AMD has an opportunity with their next gen.

fs123 · 13 Oct 2022 at 22:37

g67575 said:
What would you guys be willing to pay for a RTX 4070? Would £600-£700 be too much?

It does seem like this card will still receive most of the benefits of the RTX 4000 series (e.g. improved ray tracing performance). I'm guessing 10/12GB of VRAM?

Whoever is thinking of paying that much for the 4070 should have bought a 3080 2 years ago.

g67575 · 13 Oct 2022 at 22:38

fs123 said:
Whoever is thinking of paying that much for the 4070 should have bought a 3080 2 years ago.

What's your point?

NVIDIA is setting the minimum prices with the reference /Founder's Editions. They probably think they should have set them higher last time (which ofc us consumers don't agree with).

chroniclard · 13 Oct 2022 at 22:42

If AMD cards are any good they could clear up here. With everything below the 4090 looking ass and the 4090 only for those who like being bent over.

Joxeon · 13 Oct 2022 at 22:46

g67575 said:
What would you guys be willing to pay for a RTX 4070? Would £600-£700 be too much?

It does seem like this card will still receive most of the benefits of the RTX 4000 series (e.g. improved ray tracing performance). I'm guessing 10/12GB of VRAM?

Given its on a cut down 106 die I'd be willing to pay around £400 tops.

g67575 · 13 Oct 2022 at 22:48

Probably the most interesting thing AMD has said about RDNA3, is that it features "rearchitected compute units" that "enhance ray tracing".

Which is the major selling point for the RTX 4000 series.

g67575 · 13 Oct 2022 at 22:50

Joxeon said:
Given its on a cut down 106 die I'd be willing to pay around £400 tops.

Donno it's that's true, but it's also clocked very high, is built with the 4nm EUV TSMC process, with apparently more cache.

The only thing that concerns me is the continued use of GDDR6X, which no doubt runs very hot. Never had a problem with my RTX 3070 FE.

EDIT - It's possible NVIDIA has made some improvements to either their cooling or VRAM, as the GDDR6X VRAM apparently peaks around 84 Celsius:
https://www.kitguru.net/components/...s/nvidia-rtx-4090-founders-edition-review/25/

Thermal imaging results looking good too:
https://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/msi_geforce_rtx_4090_suprim_liquid_x_review,8.html

Suppose we'll see.