Nurishment

semi-pro waster said:
I was trying to give him an out here but it seems to be unwanted.
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At least you tried!
bhavv said:
Yea apologies for that, I selectively read the second half of your post referring to this nourishment drink only. Still I'd rather have my cheap supermarket value peas, milk, yogurt, cheese, 100% chicken and eggs instead.

Generally I have just 6 eggs a week, and 500 ml milk a day plus a muller yoghurt or two. The rest is mostly veg and / or chicken, plus the occasional frozen pizza, but also loads of cake. The cake is the best part :)
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From your diet I'm going to guess that you aren't very athletic or strong, so saying that you personally would rather avoid protein shakes is kind of irrelevant.

You might just have to accept, for reasons beyond your current comprehension, that there are common and valid reasons to supplement protein.
 
bhavv said:
Well this is what I'm talking about, why would these athletes need protein shakes? The main source of muscle strength comes from the tendons, not from the size of the muscles themselves. You can observe this from many skinny martial arts experts like Bruce Lee.
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lol Bhavv doesnt know what hes talking about.

Im a runner at Marathon distance, yes I do supplement with a protein shake as its been scientifically proven that an intake of protein 20 minutes after a run limits delayed onset muscle soreness, ive tested this and it works!

so no its not only body builders who need high amounts of protein. I also dont eat any meat or fish so my protein has to come from, whey, soy, flax seed etc.


and LOL at your 6 eggs a week
 
Erm yes I know that, but you could also drink a glass of milk. The only reason you need a protein shake in your case is because you dont eat meat.

How about beans, lentils or pulses instead?

icecold said:
From your diet I'm going to guess that you aren't very athletic or strong, so saying that you personally would rather avoid protein shakes is kind of irrelevant.
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I dont work out anymore no, but if I did I would just increase my meat intake. You dont need protein shakes at all to be athletic or strong as opposed to simply consuming dietary protein, I'm sure that other people defending protein shakes here have also stated that.
 
bhavv said:
Erm yes I know that, but you could also drink a glass of milk. The only reason you need a protein shake in your case is because you dont eat meat.

How about beans, lentils or pulses instead?
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Seriously?! How do you not get this?

One scoop of whey has on average ~20g of protein, now go look at how much protein is in milk, along with sugars. Just look at how much milk you need to drink to get the same amount of protein.

Now what if the person is lactose intolerant? Or a Vegan?
 
bhavv said:
I dont work out anymore no, but if I did I would just increase my meat intake. You dont need protein shakes at all to be athletic or strong as opposed to simply consuming dietary protein, I'm sure that other people defending protein shakes here have also stated that.
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Well you would most likely enjoy very mediocre results. You have to be VERY strict with your diet and spend a lot of money on food to go without protein supplementation.

Whey protein is dietary protein.

This is getting silly now.
 
bhavv said:
Well this is what I'm talking about, why would these athletes need protein shakes? The main source of muscle strength comes from the tendons, not from the size of the muscles themselves. You can observe this from many skinny martial arts experts like Bruce Lee.
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Muhammed Ali would have floored Bruce Lee in about three minutes.

I think you are confusing the importance of tendon strength in martial arts (and other sports/pursuits) with strength of the individual overall. The tendons need to be able to transfer the power produced by the Muscles, but that doesn't mean that the main source of muscle strength comes from the tendons....it doesn't, that is like saying the main power of a car comes from the tyres rather than the engine.
 
I have to agree with this comment on Ali vs Lee though:

If it was a sport 'fight' with rules (such as boxing which is a sport and not a fight) then Ali had a good chance coz he was definitely one of the best boxers ever. But, if it was a no-rules streetfight (and a fight is essentially that) then he would get killed coz he only learnt to box well and won in boxing not in fighting!
A finger jab to the eye or a side kick to the knee, or even an elbow and knee attack in close quarters would flummox any boxer or sport karateka who is only used to soft knuckle gloved-hand fighting. Strength wise, Ali wouldn't have a great advantage coz Lee was extremely powerful for his size. Push ups with 250 pounds on his back and single arm one thumb push-ups are just some of the recorded feats of Lee.
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A person who only knows how to box would severely lack the technical skills required to beat a karate expert.

Castiel said:
Bruce Lee wasn't fast enough, strong enough or physically heavy enough to compete with Muhammed Ali...it is a simple matter of physiology and physics.
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Bruce Lee's technical skills would have been far superior to those of any boxer.

Mohammed Ali is also far from the biggest guy out there, would a body builder with twice his muscle mass be able to beat him?

Another thing thats also worth noting is that in the majority of professional karate, sparring is semi contact only and doesnt involve knocking your opponent unconscious. Boxing on the other hand is the complete opposite, the fight goes on until one of the fighters are downed. Most people who practice karate would not be trained in knocking their opponents unconscious while a boxer would.
 
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I can't help feeling this thread has taken a wander somewhere - it's gone from discussing a rubbish meal replacement drink through the benefits and reasoning for protein shakes to now Ali vs Lee. Does anyone want to just Godwin the thread and have done with it?
 
bhavv said:
A person who only knows how to box would severely lack the technical skills required to beat a karate expert.
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That is simply not true. If you compare a trained boxer to a trained karate martial artist then I would go with the boxer, now a street-fighter is something else entirely....

Now comparatively in a street fight Ali would have destroyed Lee as well....to begin with Ali was a professional real full contact fighter who trained to fight first, box after (as many boxers are), Bruce Lee never fought professionally and most of his fighting style was for the camera, with little use in a real fight scenario. There is a huge difference between looking good and being hard.

Martial Arts are useful in training discipline and technique, but for actual useful fighting skills you should be looking at Boxing, Wrestling and some of the more aggressive mixed discipline fighting styles like Krav Maga. These teach you how to take punishment as well as give it and real fighting is more about getting the other chap in a position where you can hurt him without him hurting you, it is not a coincidence that many MMA fights end up on the floor, grappling about.
 
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icecold said:
You don't see many skinny martial artists beating bigger guys in MMA...
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because most of them are defensive martial arts and not for real fighting.

some moves they arent allowed to do either incase they kill someone.

its also generally not the people who are actually any good at it or they wouldnt be on mma
 
Castiel said:
That is simply not true. If you compare a trained boxer to a trained karate martial artist then I would go with the boxer, now a street-fighter is something else entirely....
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You need to understand that karate is practiced with semi contact sparring, boxing with full contact. Then theres also lots of other arts like kick boxing, ju jitsu, muai thai etc etc.

The issue is that Muhammed Ali is simply an outstanding and exceptional boxer, and one of the best boxers that have ever lived. Even a top karate expert is not going to be comparable to him because he is simply the best in his field.

Even if Mohammed Ali is the best marital artist in the world today, this is a reflection of his personal ability, not his fighting style or physical attributes alone. If you put a karate expert who has only ever trained in semi contact sparring against a professional boxer, the boxer will most likely win. However if karate practioneers were actually trained, and had the opportunity to hone their skills in full contact, boxers wouldnt stand a chance and in fact, people would potentially end up dead during sparring.
 
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What happened in here! My fun thread turned into this rubbish.

Bhavv you are so damn contentious you that if blue was black you would contest it was purple.
 
semi-pro waster said:
I can't help feeling this thread has taken a wander somewhere - it's gone from discussing a rubbish meal replacement drink through the benefits and reasoning for protein shakes to now Ali vs Lee. Does anyone want to just Godwin the thread and have done with it?
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and ban bhavv then i would feel like justice was done :p

anywho back to nurishment
 
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