Soldato
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Doesn't matter how innocent a person is proven or how absolute that proof is, there will always be people who'll swear blind that person is guilty as all hell.
Nurse arrested for murdering babies
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I wouldn't be surprised if she was just managements scapegoat, they're certainly not above that level of cynicism.
If that is in fact the case then they've effectively already gotten away with it which means there's very little incentive to actually get rid of the people who messed up so it'll happen again... and again until the government is forced to conclude the only rational conclusion that can be made.
If that is in fact the case then they've effectively already gotten away with it which means there's very little incentive to actually get rid of the people who messed up so it'll happen again... and again until the government is forced to conclude the only rational conclusion that can be made.
No, he's saying he hopes that the CPS would only have proceeded to trial if there was strong evidence, rather than just to pad out their stats as it seemed was being implied.
Caporegime
She can't go back to her old job even if she isn't found guilty. No parent with a shred of sanity would let their baby anywhere near her. If they did and anything happened to their baby they would sue the NHS to high heaven as well.
Soldato
Not at all... I wasn't narrowing my statement within the confines of this case.
Soldato
I'm kinda surprised how little coverage in the news this story garnered.
Same. a lot of circumstantial evidence but not a lot with weight imo.
Man of Honour
All I'll say is I've been involved with 3 cases that were National News and went on for weeks, I've also been involved with several that went on for ages but didn't make the National News.
In all cases I sat back and read peoples posts on Social media, one on here, and just thought you know nothing, all you've heard is tiny little snippets from hours and hours of courtroom evidence.
I'll reserve judgement on this.
In all cases I sat back and read peoples posts on Social media, one on here, and just thought you know nothing, all you've heard is tiny little snippets from hours and hours of courtroom evidence.
I'll reserve judgement on this.
Soldato
But that's how GD rolls, no place for facts in here. It's quite shocking in here at the moment to be fair.
Unfortunately it's easy for the public to say one thing or another about the evidence, but unless you're present you're never going to know how strong the case against her is.
There must have been a reasonable level of evidence for the CPS to go forward with her case.
I think the speed at which the jury can return a verdict gives some indication of how well the case was prosecuted or defended - won't know until the verdict is given.
Supposedly there were lots of sewage leaks that were not fixed in that unit because the hospital was falling apart due to lack of funds.
Innocent until proven guilty? Maybe you are familiar with the concept?
Any number of potential medical complications that come along with childbirth and infancy could have played a factor in, or directly caused the death if the infants.
Man of Honour
On the News now -
Nottingham maternity inquiry to examine 1,700 cases in largest baby deaths probe
Inquiry chair Donna Ockenden has previously criticised the hospital trust for failing to properly consult ethnic minority families
www.independent.co.uk
Caporegime
Poorly run maternity services and paediatric wards does. Happened to me as a young child, nearly killed me. ****-up by an anaesthetist.
On the News now -
Nottingham maternity inquiry to examine 1,700 cases in largest baby deaths probe
Inquiry chair Donna Ockenden has previously criticised the hospital trust for failing to properly consult ethnic minority families
I've been trying to get my partners daughter to come forward for this enquiry. She was at QMC for her birth and it was more than shocking. Absolute negligence that has left her with physical issues going forward, after they nearly permanently paralysed her with a botched epidural and subsequent botched attempts to fix it. Lack of post natal care for her and the baby and just a general unacceptable level of care.
But she's the type that doesn't want to make a fuss and tbh, it left her quite traumatised and she doesn't want to keep reliving it through an enquiry.
Commissario
The CPS prosecute roughly on two basis, one is "is there a realistic chance of conviction", the other is "is it in the public interest".
It's why they will sometimes prosecute cases where a householder has killed an intruder, as horrible as it is for the householder it can be in the public interest for every aspect of the situation to be in the public record and scrutinised in the court, especially with unusual circumstances (it's a really high bar to get it into court, and an even higher one to get 12 normal people to find someone guilty when the dead person was an intruder in their home).
This case could very easily fall under both, although I would very sincerely pray that it's mainly under the "we've got enough evidence to have a good chance of a conviction" as if not it would seem much more suited to coroners court inquiries, and a wider public enquiry into the circumstances and management of the hospital.
It's got a fair bit, but there often isn't much to report during a trial, and there are some very strict limits on what can be reported during trials due to the risk of prejudicing the outcome of the trial.
Man of Honour
She must do it.
It will be a good idea to try and find out the main claimant Solicitor and contact them.
There will be several but if you look through news items about cases one name will crop up more than others.