Nurse arrested for murdering babies

SexyGreyFox · 24 May 2024 at 11:11

kindai said:
How come?

By the sounds of it the COA judges have examined the reason for wanting to appeal and found it has no legal merit.

Because has humans we should all have a right to appeal.

200sols · 24 May 2024 at 11:25

SexyGreyFox said:
Because has humans we should all have a right to appeal.

If there are grounds to do so, yes.

Letby had put forward four grounds of appeal, each of which involved the submission that the trial judge wrongly refused applications she made during the trial at Manchester crown court.

Senior judges dont agree.

Sankari · 24 May 2024 at 11:46

Ayahuasca said:
Denied permission to appeal her convictions.

Lucy Letby denied permission for baby murders convictions appeal

The 34-year-old was given 14 whole life terms last year after being found guilty of murdering babies.

www.bbc.co.uk

Lock her up!

MoNkeE · 24 May 2024 at 12:06

SexyGreyFox said:
Because has humans we should all have a right to appeal.

You can’t just say “I don’t like the results, I want another trial please”, you have to make a valid claim as to why the trial was unfair or missed important evidence that may have changed the outcome.

Ayahuasca · 24 May 2024 at 12:17

Jack_green said:
Same happened to some postmasters, and now look at what happened.

No, it wasn't the same. Totally different cases, processes and grounds for appeal.

While it was shocking what happened to them, we should not try to lump all cases together in black and white thinking.

MoNkeE · 24 May 2024 at 13:19

Are you devoid of critical thinking beyond the first thought of the tip of your spear?

Surely, surely you can see the differences. Surely you can see the logistical nightmare in allowing everyone to automatically appeal their convictions? Surely you see how supporting this would make justice in to an impossible ask?

danlightbulb · 24 May 2024 at 15:15

What I disagree with in this case is not publicising the information.

arknor · 24 May 2024 at 16:42

What's the strongest evidence against her the notes and I think maybe there were some weird texts?

Without them there's just statistical evidence than doesn't really prove anything either way? It's mostly just assumptions?

Will lessons be learnt?

I'd love to know why she did it if she did, wonder if she lost one and something just flipped in her brain.
The biological clock ticking and being jealous of everyone else having babies and seemingly in a nice relationship etc?

or just pure evil and malicious.

Werewolf · 24 May 2024 at 17:08

arknor said:
What's the strongest evidence against her the notes and I think maybe there were some weird texts?

Without them there's just statistical evidence than doesn't really prove anything either way? It's mostly just assumptions?

Will lessons be learnt?

I'd love to know why she did it if she did, wonder if she lost one and something just flipped in her brain.
The biological clock ticking and being jealous of everyone else having babies and seemingly in a nice relationship etc?

or just pure evil and malicious.

Also IIRC the statistical stuff...

IE how many of the babies died/nearly died when she was in as opposed to anyone else (I'm guessing they have a lot of records for that given how many neonatal ICU beds there are and the number of babies going through them on a yearly basic at both that hospital and others).

And her behaviour in regards to the parents of the dead babies.

At the very least it was statically very odd, and her behaviour was exceptionally abnormal even before you look at anything else.

Kill_Phil · 24 May 2024 at 17:48

Clearly the judges didn't feel she had any grounds of appeal. It's not a god given right to appeal, else everyone would buy default.

Shoza · 24 May 2024 at 18:17

Our judicial system is VERY fair in these regards so no, nothing more needs to be done here. The judgement will be publicised in due course.

Eddie99 · 24 May 2024 at 19:23

Werewolf said:
Also IIRC the statistical stuff...

IE how many of the babies died/nearly died when she was in as opposed to anyone else (I'm guessing they have a lot of records for that given how many neonatal ICU beds there are and the number of babies going through them on a yearly basic at both that hospital and others).

And her behaviour in regards to the parents of the dead babies.

At the very least it was statically very odd, and her behaviour was exceptionally abnormal even before you look at anything else.

There are lies, damned lies, and statistics. People have been falsely convicted numerous times before because the "expert witness" didn't understand statistics or failed to account for something.

potatolord · 24 May 2024 at 21:26

SexyGreyFox said:
This is my expertise, gathering evidence for NHS incidents which go to trial.
I know how all health records and other forms fit together and my department have had more evidence of this case than the normal public have and she is 100% guilty, anybody who thinks differently has got a screw loose.
This trial went on for a long time with experts bought in at every stage so the Jury could understand, no stone was unturned.
That's besides the medical records planted at her house, plus her confessions on notes and dozens of other staff who would have been in on it.

Lots of SUIs and Reg28s?

Guess what I used to do!

Ayahuasca · Tuesday at 16:15

Lucy Letby guilty of trying to kill baby

The 34-year-old former nurse is convicted of the charge following a retrial.

www.bbc.co.uk

ANDREW GREEN · Tuesday at 17:14

Ayahuasca said:
Lucy Letby guilty of trying to kill baby

The 34-year-old former nurse is convicted of the charge following a retrial.

www.bbc.co.uk

I guarantee she's getting a sadistic power trip taking that family to court. In cases like this it shouldn't be allowed

SexyGreyFox · Tuesday at 18:46

ANDREW GREEN said:
I guarantee she's getting a sadistic power trip taking that family to court. In cases like this it shouldn't be allowed

or perhaps she really believes she is innocent.

StriderX · Tuesday at 20:27

Considering how sadistic and evil NHS management (well any management really) can be I can't wholly just swallow the idea that she's guilty without doubt. To put it another way if it turns out 20 years from now that it was a load of garbage I won't be shocked.

SexyGreyFox · Tuesday at 20:40

StriderX said:
Considering how sadistic and evil NHS management (well any management really) can be I can't wholly just swallow the idea that she's guilty without doubt. To put it another way if it turns out 20 years from now that it was a load of garbage I won't be shocked.

It wasn't management that were working with her, it was other Clinicians including Doctors, Nurses etc.
She was on duty at every incident where other clinicians were only at several.
This would mean that several staff would have to work together to cause the incidents so it looked like Letby was at all of them.
She took medical records home of the babies in the incidents.
She is 100% guilty.

Minstadave · Tuesday at 21:01

SexyGreyFox said:
It wasn't management that were working with her, it was other Clinicians including Doctors, Nurses etc.
She was on duty at every incident where other clinicians were only at several.
This would mean that several staff would have to work together to cause the incidents so it looked like Letby was at all of them.
She took medical records home of the babies in the incidents.
She is 100% guilty.

Yeah management were covering for right left and centre, burying the concerns and threatening GMC referrals. Got away Scott free too.

SexyGreyFox · Tuesday at 21:28

Minstadave said:
Yeah management were covering for right left and centre, burying the concerns and threatening GMC referrals. Got away Scott free too.

100% but those Clinicians who reported her and got reprimanded should have taken it to the Police themselves.
What would you have done?