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NVIDIA 4000 Series

gpuerrilla said:
Come on guys, isnt it only one game?!
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It's the first major game in the 2023 roster and its gimped.

In years gone by I could order a 3k laptop for my kids in the knowledge that whatever NVidia GPU was inside was probably enough.

Now I got to wait for a few more major titles to be released to see if a laptop 4080 12GB is gonna cut it or, if I need to stump another 400-500 for a laptop 4090.

Stumping 3k for a 4070/8gb vram/16gb ram laptop looks like a move many dads will make and most won't realise Nvidia did them dirty.
 
Bill Turnip said:
All of the computer base benchmark tests have 12gb of ram now, 4k is starting to get out of reach of 10gb it would seem.

From computer base - "Hogwarts Legacy requires a lot of graphics card memory for maximum texture detail. Specifically, it is the first game in the editorial team's test that only works without problems in all situations from 16 GB of VRAM. Even with 12 GB you have to accept limitations. For example, the GeForce RTX 4070 Ti does not have any performance problems in Ultra HD and DLSS Quality with otherwise full graphics quality, but the textures are not loaded for some objects, others disappear completely for a short time, since the engine is probably trying to fix the situation somehow to rescue. Without ray tracing, it also works with 12 GB. 10 GB is no longer enough even without ray tracing in Ultra HD with DLSS at a sufficient frame rate. If the graphics card only has 8 GB, there are already clear signs of wear and tear in WQHD including DLSS, even without ray tracing, and even in Full HD one or the other texture is missing when playing. Ultimately, 8 GB and maximum textures are not possible."

Hopefully patches can help to sort this out, but we'll see. My answer is not to upgrade gpu, but downgrade monitor. Simples.
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Unless you enable dlss/fsr or/and lower settings, same way even the gpus with all the vram in the world are having to do..... i.e. "you'll run out of grunt before vram" unless 4090/4080/7900xtx owners enjoy <60 fps without dlss/fsr ;) Or in the case of a 3090 user, enjoys playing at native 1920x1080 and still getting <60 fps :cry:

Patch is due today so hopefully it fixes the mess of this game.
 
My main point is that from this, not even upscaling is solving the issues, even if you turn RT off which actually surprises me. It's forcing you to go to frame generation, which funnily enough is available at a crazy price.
 
Bill Turnip said:
My main point is that from this, not even upscaling is solving the issues, even if you turn RT off which actually surprises me. It's forcing you to go to frame generation, which funnily enough is available at a crazy price.
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Could be the game is really poorly optimized. There are plenty to games that look really good that run really well.
 
LiE said:
Could be the game is really poorly optimized. There are plenty to games that look really good that run really well.
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I definitely hope so. It is new, so I would expect patches to help some of the issues (by the way, expecting day 1 patches SHOULD NOT be a thing). If the price of entry to full performance triple A games stays as is, I'm out.
 
LiE said:
Could be the game is really poorly optimized. There are plenty to games that look really good that run really well.
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The game being poorly optimised, don't be so silly!!!! It's clearly nvidia and amd to blame for doing their shoddy "planned obsolescence" tactics.....

But in all seriousness, this whole pointing fingers at amd or/and nvidia because of lack of grunt, vram, RT perf, FG features or whatever straw people like to clutch on to suit their narrative is just silly tbh, people still aren't learning that the ones at fault are the game developers, it is them who are choosing not to optimise their games properly and instead are relying on upscaling and frame generation to do the "optimisation" for them, the sooner technical review sites and customer base start calling them out and boycotting such games, the better, so far the only ones to do this whether people like it or not is Alex from Digital foundry.
 
Nexus18 said:
people still aren't learning that the ones at fault are the game developers, it is them who are choosing not to optimise their games properly and instead are relying on upscaling and frame generation to do the "optimisation" for them
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I'd go along with this, it's just surprising that it's having such an impact quite so soon.
 
Nexus18 said:
The game being poorly optimised, don't be so silly!!!! It's clearly nvidia and amd to blame for doing their shoddy "planned obsolescence" tactics.....

But in all seriousness, this whole pointing fingers at amd or/and nvidia because of lack of grunt, vram, RT perf, FG features or whatever straw people like to clutch on to suit their narrative is just silly tbh, people still aren't learning that the ones at fault are the game developers, it is them who are choosing not to optimise their games properly and instead are relying on upscaling and frame generation to do the "optimisation" for them, the sooner technical review sites and customer base start calling them out and boycotting such games, the better, so far the only ones to do this whether people like it or not is Alex from Digital foundry.
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Agreed. The developers would have known the performance is **** and decided to ship it now and patch it going forward. Classic move. Que articles 6 months from now "Hogwarts is getting a big patch to improve performance"
 
Nexus18 said:
The game being poorly optimised, don't be so silly!!!! It's clearly nvidia and amd to blame for doing their shoddy "planned obsolescence" tactics.....

But in all seriousness, this whole pointing fingers at amd or/and nvidia because of lack of grunt, vram, RT perf, FG features or whatever straw people like to clutch on to suit their narrative is just silly tbh, people still aren't learning that the ones at fault are the game developers, it is them who are choosing not to optimise their games properly and instead are relying on upscaling and frame generation to do the "optimisation" for them, the sooner technical review sites and customer base start calling them out and boycotting such games, the better, so far the only ones to do this whether people like it or not is Alex from Digital foundry.
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Game runs fine on consoles with 16gb VRAM. If only PC GPUs had 16GB VRAM :cry:
 
How did you guys manage to jump to the conclusion that the RT hardware in RTX 3000 or 4000 series cards is up to the job though?

How did you determine that the hardware is upto the demands of the latest games?
 
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LiE said:
Not in this reality am I buying my son a 3k laptop lol you're in a small minority there.
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Its a cheaper reality than paying 3k in 1996 and then every 18 months for a desktop that needed throwing in the skip, like many dads had to do for us, when we were kids :)

Its about priorities, many Dads spend 3k a year on cigarettes and another 3k on booze.
 
Bill Turnip said:
I'd go along with this, it's just surprising that it's having such an impact quite so soon.
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LiE said:
Agreed. The developers would have known the performance is **** and decided to ship it now and patch it going forward. Classic move. Que articles 6 months from now "Hogwarts is getting a big patch to improve performance"
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Funny thing is I see it happen every day with my projects, people blaming the "product" or better yet blaming the services they use to make the application, even blaming google, microsoft and/or amazon rather than blaming the ones who are responsible for the actual development of said application..... it's hilarious, having said that, we have got a structure in place with site reliability engineers and we adopt their working practices/culture so there is no pointing fingers when there are issues especially P1 issues, instead, we have like a incident response system where all steps are noted down as to what caused the issue in the first place, what the fix was and ensure that this same issue won't happen again in the future, seems like game developers could have a similar QC process in place!
 
Besty said:
Its a cheaper reality than paying 3k in 1996 and then every 18 months for a desktop that needed throwing in the skip, like many dads had to do for us, when we were kids :)

Its about priorities, many Dads spend 3k a year on cigarettes and another 3k on booze.
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