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Shroud said:
But a lot of the hardware journalists seem to push 4k ultra with ray-tracing continuously,

4k ultra gaming @ 60fps is still very unaffordable at moment,
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They don't push it, it's just an apples to apples comparison setting for the cards they get sent to review for free. If you use a preset for gaming then you are doing PC gaming wrong.

If you are gonna use ULTRA preset, then you needto go and turn off/down all the potato setting enhancements like blur, AA, etc etc. You dont turn on the settings like AA as high at 4k. It's just a setting used that is easily replicable to show the difference in performance between cards. Use presets as a starting point for your fps target/monitor refresh - but not to game on. Post processing options- another off.

Anything with DLSS 2.0+ will give a gpu extra legs when next gen games are released and will give a card a bit of longevity. DLSS 2 was good, 3 is very good.

The dribble alpha versions of games at MSRP that have been released over the past few years shouldn't be the benchmark of where things are going. Only UE5 games after 6 months of release will be the benchmark for future gpu requirements.

The games arent getting more demanding because they look better,b ut because they are released in unplayable states - the pressure on developers to release is demanding, too many idiots paying MSRP is where it's gone wrong.

ALL the games ove rthe past few years ended up performaing much better than what you see on release. MSRP nutters being the testers.
 
Raiden85 said:
Works pretty well on old VHS type content that’s been uploaded at 360p/480p on YT. It does help clean up the image and make things a bit sharper compared to the original. Definitely plenty of room to try and improve the quality if they can as it does kind of look like what DLSS 1 was with a vaseline filter over the screen with very low quality video as the source.
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Power consumption is also a bit high they need to work on that; with the upscaler enabled GPU power consumption while watching YouTube videos can go from 30w to 150w
 
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Yeah annoying voice and turned on AMD recently from what I can tell, however he was spot on in the end after the 7000 launch flop so will give him some slack.
 
Woodsta888 said:
Console time.

Unless you are chasing high resolution hz panels then you don't need the latest and greatest, no where near.

If PC gaming has become too expensive then select a resolution to run that you can afford. Some of the ultrawides and 4k take lots of GPU horsepower. Muddied with technologies such as DLSS3 and Frame generation to chase these high resolutions and must have high fps.

2560x1440 will suit most gamers or 3440x1440 at a push. Much cheaper to run and still have decent IQ with high fps. Sweet spot apparently, cant tell the difference to 4k, RT is a waste, DLSS & Framegen is cheating.

Don't chase running high resolutions, particularly with new games on release = PC gaming affordability
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Yep. I downgraded my monitor. Should do me for at least three years without a graphics card upgrade.
 
Mercurial said:
if that is a good thing; then good luck in the future getting a cheaper Nvidia card. Prices are fine right? ;)
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Cards are piled high on shelves everywhere and amazingly you can still pre-order last gen NV and AMD cards...that's how good the pricing is. Cards which are well over 2 years old are still piled high in warehouses around the world waiting to be shipped to retailers, who will then pile them high unsold in their own warehouses.

We should ask Gibbo to build a pyramid of all the unsold last gen cards.

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Guys - so I was thinking of pushing the boat out and snagging a 4080/4090 on a new PC price be damned etc. but then when picking a motherboard I learned about pcie gen 4/5 and boards are now putting in pcie gen 5 slots for graphics cards but the 4080 and 4090 are only gen 4... So now I'm thinking get a new PC but just put in a 3070 for now and go all out in 2 years time when GPU's are using pcie gen 5. Also going the AMD chipset route on the motherboard for longer upgradability periods.

Am I being clever? is this good thinking or will gen 5 GPU's not differ much from gen 4 anyway? thx in advance apologies if this is a dumb question..
 
Old Wino said:
Guys - so I was thinking of pushing the boat out and snagging a 4080/4090 on a new PC price be damned etc. but then when picking a motherboard I learned about pcie gen 4/5 and boards are now putting in pcie gen 5 slots for graphics cards but the 4080 and 4090 are only gen 4... So now I'm thinking get a new PC but just put in a 3070 for now and go all out in 2 years time when GPU's are using pcie gen 5. Also going the AMD chipset route on the motherboard for longer upgradability periods.

Am I being clever? is this good thinking or will gen 5 GPU's not differ much from gen 4 anyway? thx in advance apologies if this is a dumb question..
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Clever would be doing a few mins research on the performance difference between PCI4 and PCIE5. There is basically none.
 
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We have been on 4.0 for a while and the 4090 is a healthy jump over last-gen's 4.0 cards....and I don’t think you would be able to tell the difference in performance if you ran the 4090 in a 3.0 slot.

I think we have a ways to go before GPU's outstrip 4.0 X 16. (Unless they come up with some odd feature that specifically hits bandwidth in a way we have not seen in the wild yet)
 
muon said:
New steam hardware survey out.


When looking at all video cards

RTX 4090 0.31%
RTX 4080 0.20%
RTX 4070 Ti 0.18%

So about 0.7% of all video cards are ada.

Steam has in excess of 100m users.
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A couple of observations. First, compare this release to Turing.

The 2080Ti and 2080 released on September 20th 2018, the 2070 on October 17th 2018.
The 4090 was released on October 12th 2022, The 4080 on November the 16th and the 4070Ti on January the 5th 2023.

Now if you look at the Steam Survey from February 2019 for Turing cards, and February 2023 for the Ada cards. The three Turing cards were at 1.11% and the Ada cards are at 0.69% If you take into account the longer time that the Turing cards were out, It seems like Ada is selling at least as good Turing.

For Turing, those sales prompted Nvidia to release the cheaper and better performing "super" versions of some of their cards. Will they do the same with Ada?

Second Observation:

We know now that the 7900XTX selling out at launch and for a few weeks after wasn't due to large sales numbers. It was down to extremely limited availability. The 7900 cards haven't sold enough to even match the 4070Ti and that's only been out since January the 5th. They haven't even sold enough to appear on the Steam Hardware Survey.

It's going to be interesting to see what both companies will do going forward. All I know is that I am very happy that I am not looking to buy a GPU anytime soon.
 
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