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NVIDIA 4000 Series

Aegis said:
I'm not so sure - the 20-series was a bit of a reality-check for Nvidia and Ampere's pricing and performance were adjusted in response (then completely torpedoed by Covid/crypto-mining) - Nvidia's current situation with Ada may be OK for them (with the AI boom) but it can't be good for their AIB partners.

I doubt we'll ever get back to Ampere's price-to-performance vs. 20-series but I expect a more consumer-friendly line-up for the 50-series than we have right now (insert 'sweet summer child' memes below :D).
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If they didn't learn from 20 series, i doubt they will learn in the long term. As a company they will always test the waters with pricing and see how much they can get away with. They've obviously pushed things too far this time so im hoping, HOPING they will fall back in line with what 4000 series pricing should have been with £800-900 80 series cards and so on.

Give the people what they want not what you think they want and be cheeky about it cos people will always call them out on their BS.
 
Kelt said:
Likely will be used for the 5090, I guess.
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Only if it's a 600w or 700w card. Rumours are that, that cooler can actually dissipate 800w with the fans going full bore, not surprising when just the heatsink is 4 slots

The idea of putting the middle fan inside the heatsink is clever, cause those fans are so wide that you can't fit 3 horizontally with a standard cooler design unless you're ok with a GPU being as long as a radiator, by having a fan in the midsole you can overlap the frames and end up with a GPU that has 3 110m or 120mm fans without increasing the length
 
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It's amazing how high clocks can be pushed under low load

I was using the game remnant 2, at 4k max settings but I had dlss on and capped framerate to 30fps so GPU was working enough to push boost clocks but not very hard to force stability problems

Where as if I run a benchmark like Timespy my 4090 fps I'll crash at about 2950mhz. Running remnant 2 with above settings and playing around with MSI sliders and managed to get the clocks up to 3125mhz in game before it finally crashed
 
Doop! said:
What's the reason for the heatsinks getting ever larger? I thought the 4000 series ran pretty cool
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Rumor had it that the 4090 was originally designed to run at 600w so all the coolers got scaled up - when Nvidia finally realised they were taking crazy pills they scaled it back to a more reasonable (!) 450w (but by then all the AIB's had already made their new coolers).

This also had the humourous side effect of making AMD looks like fools when they trumpeted the energy efficiency of RDNA3 only to realise they were less energy-efficient than Nvidia (ooops! :o)
 
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Aegis said:
Rumor had it that the 4090 was originally designed to run at 600w so all the coolers got scaled up - when Nvidia finally realised they were taking crazy pills they scaled it back to a more reasonable (!) 450w (but by then all the AIB's had already made their new coolers).

This also had the humourous side effect of making AMD looks like fools when they trumpeted the energy efficiency of RDNA3 only to realise they were less energy-efficient than Nvidia (ooops! :o)
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Maybe seeing what rdna3 offered Nvidia didn't need to push for more performance hell they even gimped them they have more performance left on the table

Oh yeah I remember this from AMD it got me hyped and how wrong was I

Advancing Performance-Per-Watt to Benefit Gamers

By: Sam Naffziger, Senior Vice President, Corporate Fellow, and Product Technology Architect The demand for immersive, realistic gaming experiences is constantly pushing the boundaries of technology, driving enhancements to support features like raytracing, variable rate shading, and advanced...
community.amd.com community.amd.com
 
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uscool said:
Oh yeah I remember this from AMD it got me hyped and how wrong was I
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Yeah, AMD (well, specifically Radeon's) marketing has seemingly always been terrible but the 7000-series launch was pure clown-world.

And I hate it - I genuinely want them to be a credible alternative to Nvidia. Maybe the 8000-series? *sigh*
 
Aegis said:
This also had the humourous side effect of making AMD looks like fools when they trumpeted the energy efficiency of RDNA3 only to realise they were less energy-efficient than Nvidia (ooops! :o)
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This was a flat out lie by AMD. The energy efficiency of RDNA2 and RDNA3 is almost the same and when you have moved to a better node that is not good engineering. They have always had issues with energy efficiency with Nv having a clear lead in this area for most of the past decade but I hoped they had turned a new leaf when RDNA2 was so good in this area.

What this means to me as a consumer is I will not go above a certain wattage for a gpu. I think the 350w for my 7900xtx is my upper limit and any new gpu purchase will have to be under that power consumption for me to seriously consider it
 
Doop! said:
What's the reason for the heatsinks getting ever larger? I thought the 4000 series ran pretty cool
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The amount of power they use, and so the heat they produce, has increased. Although it seems that this generation they expected the power consumption to be higher, so they are if anything a bit too big.
 
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Haz123 said:
This was a flat out lie by AMD. The energy efficiency of RDNA2 and RDNA3 is almost the same and when you have moved to a better node that is not good engineering. They have always had issues with energy efficiency with Nv having a clear lead in this area for most of the past decade but I hoped they had turned a new leaf when RDNA2 was so good in this area.

What this means to me as a consumer is I will not go above a certain wattage for a gpu. I think the 350w for my 7900xtx is my upper limit and any new gpu purchase will have to be under that power consumption for me to seriously consider it
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Well, GTX 970 was 150w TDP. 4080 aka x70 series card more likely is 300w.

If you want performance you need power. Or you buy high performance, but power limit it :)
 
Time to choose my FINAL 4090 lol.

What should I choose? I can get the FE or Gaming Trio around the same price. Build quality is important to me at this price range as well, otherwise I'd probably go Gigabyte. Suprim is +320 over the FE at the cheapest UK price....

My build is completely silent.
 
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