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NVIDIA 4000 Series

Woodsta888 said:
If you think 10fps is worth it, or 7% for 100% more cost.

Out of interest, what resolution do you game at? 1080p 1440p UW or 4k?
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10 FPS + 2GB VRAM is worth an extra £200 to me. I'm calcuating value based on products that are actually available to buy right now... Not mythological ones that come about once every blue moon.

Currently using a crappy 1080p monitor but my plan is to buy a new 4K OLED to use as a desktop and game on. Either the LG C1 48" OR LG C2 42" if it becomes more available soon.

This was stage 1 of that plan. Just need to get accepted for finance on the TV next and i'll have finally reached PC enthusiast paradise!!! :p
 
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Johnny Silverhand said:
10 FPS + 2GB VRAM is worth an extra £200 to me. I'm calcuating value based on products that are actually available to buy right now... Not mythological ones that come about once every blue moon.

Currently using a crappy 1080p monitor but my plan is to buy a new 4K OLED to use as a desktop and game on. Either the LG C1 48" OR LG C2 42" if it becomes more available soon.

This was stage 1 of that plan. Just need to get accepted for finance on the TV next and i'll have finally reached PC enthusiast paradise!!! :p
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£200 ? you forgot about the FE again :o , also these cards already dont give that much headroom at 4K so how long can they last ? 40 series I feel will start giving you the headroom at 4K
 
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uscool said:
also these cards already dont give that much headroom at 4K so how long can they last ? 40 series I feel will start giving you the headroom at 4K
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That's true really but it will be a lot better than the 3070 Ti I had before. DLSS will help at 4K and can turn some settings down to get closer to the 120 FPS of these TV's. I'd like a 1440p OLED Ultrawide but only one announced so far is the Alienware one.
 
Johnny Silverhand said:
That's true really but it will be a lot better than the 3070 Ti I had before. DLSS will help at 4K can maybe turn some settings down to get closer to the 120 FPS of these TV's. I'd like an OLED Ultrawide but only one announced so far is the Dell.
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not all games support DLSS and dont like the idea of already having to dial down the settings , I think 40 series and AMD 7000 series will give you the headroom and can make use of 4K 144hz+ monitors, 1440p would last you longer which is called the sweet spot but once you go to 42-48 inch that needs 4K
 
uscool said:
not all games support DLSS and dont like the idea of already having to dial down the settings , I think 40 series and AMD 7000 series will give you the headroom and can make use of 4K 144hz+ monitors, 1440p would last you longer which is called the sweet spot
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Don't try to make me regret my purchase before the postie has even delivered it yet!!!

I'm not going to arrange my life 6 months in advance around future products that could very likely end up as another paper launch like last gen.

Agree with 1440p being the sweet spot for this generation but I'm not going back to IPS/VA monitors in 2022. I already decided my next display purchase will be OLED. Sick of the compromises of old display tech having already returned one IPS monitor last month due to BLB/GLOW.
 
I got pretty lucky with my M27Q, it's black levels are truly amazing for an IPS and there is little back light glow.
However my other IPS 1440P screen is worse with worse back light bleed and worse contrast ratio, but that's just used for console gaming.
 
Johnny Silverhand said:
6 months if your VERY lucky. Could be more like 8-12 months. Also another way of looking at it is you could just get the best 3000 card now and skip the 4000 series completely and wait for the 5000 series in 2024. Now that will be a REAL generational leap!
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Yeah could be longer then 6 month's for 4000 series to be in stock won't be cheap either, but no rush now have the £369 3060Ti FE anytime next year be good for my new PC build.
Forget the 5000 series will be on the 6000 series or even 7000 series for next GPU upgrade lol.

Glad your happy with the Asus Strix 3080 still good card.
 
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willhub said:
I aim to sell my 3080 Ti at least 2 months prior to the launch of 4000 series to ensure I get the best return, so wondering when that'll be.
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I would typically do that, but in this case may not bother as one there is no guarantee I can get an fe on release and there could be a long wait again and two, people still pay silly money for old tech after new one comes out these days. I am sure I could get back the money I paid for my 3070 fe.

Will see what’s what as I do have my gaming laptop now so can always use that while waiting, so if 2 months prior I can get silly money for my 3070 might just do that so it can pay for a 4070/80 :cry:
 
Comparing compute numbers of H100 to N100, accounting for clock improvements and extra cores, seems like each core is more or less performing exactly identical to an Ampere, and all the extra performance comes from moving from TSMC 7N to 4N.

Basically extrapolating this to the 4000 series, I'm expecting most of the benefits compared to 3000 series (Samsung 8nm) to come from adding more CUDA cores and increasing clocks rather than IPC improvements. So I'm quite curious to see which node Nvidia picks for the 4000 series.
 
HACO said:
Comparing compute numbers of H100 to N100, accounting for clock improvements and extra cores, seems like each core is more or less performing exactly identical to an Ampere, and all the extra performance comes from moving from TSMC 7N to 4N.

Basically extrapolating this to the 4000 series, I'm expecting most of the benefits compared to 3000 series (Samsung 8nm) to come from adding more CUDA cores and increasing clocks rather than IPC improvements. So I'm quite curious to see which node Nvidia picks for the 4000 series.
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It's hard to extrapolate because the gaming core is different, so we don't know what changes have been made to tensor or RT cores, any cache changes there and clocks. I can accept Cuda cores maybe have the same IPC as Ampere but you still can't use that to estimate performance because you need more info than just IPC of the Cuda core

that said I'm not surprised, very early on we had rumours that Lovelace would just be a bigger Ampere.

Lovelace I guess will be 5nm, not 4nm unless Nvidia got a really good deal
 
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