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NVIDIA 4000 Series

GoogalyMoogaly said:
4070 for it's relative price/performance and the 4090 for its pure performance
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Personally don't think the 4070, even with a little price reduction, is great at all - it is barely an upgrade from the 3070 while retaining prices you'd have likely paid for a 3070 over 3 years ago. Albeit it is a fairly big jump for people on the 1000 series or midrange or lower 2000 series. The 4070 Ti Super is the closest thing to a decent upgrade from the 3070 (in the nVidia line up) performance wise but is £100-150 more expensive than makes sense in that context.

4090 as I've said gets a pass from me, I actually think nVidia underpriced it LOL, the 4080 needs at least 20GB VRAM and at least 15% more performance to justify a £1+K price tag.
 
Have to say, having spent a bit more time with frame generation now rather than messing about a bit on other people's systems, I find it mind boggling people find it acceptable - beyond just using it when you already have high frame rate to just top up the frame rate a bit, the results are really poor if there is a big delta between your frame rate with and without it, especially at frame rates which are marginal for being playable or below, often doesn't feel anything like the frame rate numbers and some visual artefacts especially if turning quickly.
 
Rroff said:
Have to say, having spent a bit more time with frame generation now rather than messing about a bit on other people's systems, I find it mind boggling people find it acceptable - beyond just using it when you already have high frame rate to just top up the frame rate a bit, the results are really poor if there is a big delta between your frame rate with and without it, especially at frame rates which are marginal for being playable or below, often doesn't feel anything like the frame rate numbers and some visual artefacts especially if turning quickly.
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The delta has been known for ages and HUB and others have documented it for a while too. I even mentioned this ages ago whereby the baseline framerate before FG is enabled whether FSR3 or DLSS3 simply has to be 60fps or more to get a good frame generated result in terms of motion etc, so really the only card that frame gen really bolsters with minimal latency increase in general is a 4090.

Keep in mind this is still gen 1 of FG hardware, I suspect we will see a new leap in motion and latency come the 50 series for the mid range cards there keeping the pre-FG baseline fps high, thus resulting in a greater experience.

Also keep in mind that the game matters a lot too, and if you have not updated the DLSSG dll file in that game with the latest, then the FG results won't be as good as Nvidia has improved it at the driver level over time, so make sure all the DLSS files for every game are running the latest versions (3.5.10 for all 3 (DLSS, DLSSg, DLSSd) at present.
 
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Cable Good, though I would check the Cablemod website to confirm your model of PSU is defiantly covered and avoid any unnecessary PSU bangs.
 
£1349 with 16Gb Ram beats the 4090 with RT at 1440p with RT and medium/high textures.

Edit I don't even believe that and I'm being cynical!!
 
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There is no chance in hell a 5080 comes in at around £800, let's just get that dream out the way already :p

A 4070 Ti Super is that price currently for starters :cry:
 
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mrk said:
There is no chance in hell a 5080 comes in at around £800, let's just get that dream out the way already :p

A 4070 Ti Super is that price currently for starters :cry:
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No one thought the 3080 would come in at $700 especially when it was announced to be 25-30% faster than a 2080ti.

I think pricing will come down to how well AI is doing and how much silicon Nvidia need to shift as the current pricing strategy has meant really poor sales numbers this generation.
 
mrk said:
The delta has been known for ages and HUB and others have documented it for a while too. I even mentioned this ages ago whereby the baseline framerate before FG is enabled whether FSR3 or DLSS3 simply has to be 60fps or more to get a good frame generated result in terms of motion etc, so really the only card that frame gen really bolsters with minimal latency increase in general is a 4090.

Keep in mind this is still gen 1 of FG hardware, I suspect we will see a new leap in motion and latency come the 50 series for the mid range cards there keeping the pre-FG baseline fps high, thus resulting in a greater experience.

Also keep in mind that the game matters a lot too, and if you have not updated the DLSSG dll file in that game with the latest, then the FG results won't be as good as Nvidia has improved it at the driver level over time, so make sure all the DLSS files for every game are running the latest versions (3.5.10 for all 3 (DLSS, DLSSg, DLSSd) at present.
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I think I only had visual problems with FG and low FPS way back in Cyberpunk. Right now (few dlls later), I can limit the base FPS to around 30 (60 with FG) and it looks good, feels damn well, too. Even 20/40 is somewhat playable at a pinch. Higher fps than that (30fps base) and is very good - of course, perfect would be with at least 60fps indeed.
 
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