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NVIDIA 4000 Series

mrk said:
We need to lighten the mood as of late!

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You left out the 4080
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Jay-G25 said:
The Native resolution numbers look pretty good compared to a 3090Ti if that is run at 4K max setting as 3090Ti seems to do between 60-70FPS where as seeing 100-125fps here...

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Oh don't worry it's max settings, Nvidia always uses max settings for its own benchmarks because they and everyone else know the harder the RT effects hit the game, the larger the performance variance is on higher end GPUs

And if the performance is going from 60 to 70 to 100 to 125 then it's a between 68% and 80% uplift at native 4k for the 4090 vs 3090ti. And that matches Nvidia's benchmarks from the announcement and matches leaked things like Timespy benchmarks

I find the portal benchmarks more impressive- because at native 4k that portal path tracing remix game looks like it's running 20fps on the 4090, and with dlss3 on they says over 500% higher so probably over 100fps
 
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Grim5 said:
Oh don't worry it's max settings, Nvidia always uses max settings for its own benchmarks because they and everyone else know the harder the RT effects hit the game, the larger the performance variance is on higher end GPUs

And if the performance is going from 60 to 70 to 100 to 125 then it's a between 68% and 80% uplift at native 4k for the 4090 vs 3090ti. And that matches Nvidia's benchmarks from the announcement and matches leaked things like Timespy benchmarks
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It does fall inline with Jensens quoute of upto 2 x performance ( rasterisation ) increase over the 3090ti , definitely more than the normal 25- 30% that is normal dished out.. if this holds up to be the case on most games then looking like a very nice upgrade over a 3090 .
 
lsg1r said:
That was because we couldn't buy one at the low msrp/rrp prices... now it's a case of we don't want to buy them due to the high prices :p
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Having been pushed into buying an RTX3090 due to lack of anything else available where I live, I now find myself strangely relaxed because if I need to I can probably skip this gen or at least really hold out until the middle of this cycle when things settle. I think getting myself a 58003D and popping that in will also be a big boost in frames for VR etc.
 
I think that the reason this (4000 series) all ends up underwhelming is due to multiple factors:

- DLSS 3 (FG) is a nice boost to have (and unavailable to AMD) but ultimately it is underwhelming compared to the breakthrough of DLSS 2, because the latter was universally a boost while the FG part for 3 will have more cases where it's not great, will not scale equally to all titles, will not be a boon in low fps scenario, not good for esports etc. So it's best as a "win more" feature in some cases, but pretty meh otherwise. Still better than nothing (AMD) tho, don't get me wrong.
- The actual RT improvements do not seem to provide performance boosts commensurate with their advertising material, but rather more in-line with general performance improvements (same story as Ampere sadly).
- Price/perf. tank hard compared to expected historical trends, and only really exists for the 4090
- They keep pushing ASP higher, forcing you to buy a more expensive GPU if you want proper performance jumps. It used to be that the <$200 market was dead, but now it seems that's moved to $400. Combine that with a global recession and it's hard to want to spend real $ on such products.
- No real games to be excited for where we can put all the extra grunt/features to work. Ampere had Cyberpunk, this has nothing, much like Turing had nothing. So upgrade for what?

Overall I suspect the most interesting buy this season is a cheap used 3080/Ti. Enough grunt for RT, enough vram in general, and it's unlikely ADA will beat it price/perf. so it's perfect for the next 2 years at which point the 5000 series should be an Ampere re-run with proper prices now. Without GPU mining Nvidia can't sell at such prices and expect to maintain volume, and if they don't then it's bad for them on the stock price. Something's gotta give and I think they'll bring them down eventually.
 
Purgatory said:
Ohh look Microsoft is helping Nvidia to sell GPUS again... :cry: Just a heads up ladies and gents. I know most of you are reading this thread (so off topic for this thread but you are all here and hardly in the Windows section). Will add it to the Windows area too.


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Nvidia states this to do if you have this problem :-

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I updated without knowing this a few days ago and it seems okay for me, might be one of the lucky ones!
 
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