NVIDIA 4000 Series

harmattan · 1 Oct 2022 at 13:13

humbug said:
Right.
The 4080 12GB has less than half the shaders of the 4090 and half the memory bandwidth, like the 3060Ti vs the 3090, calling it the 4070 is being kind to it, the 3070 has more than half the shaders of the 3090.

Right. They're putting an ocean of room between models this gen so they can segment the line even more with a myriad of TIs, Supers, different mem configurations. Dare we even expect the return of Ultras moniker this round?

The 4080 12gb (4060 ti, who are the kidding) is definitely a dawdle that will soon be discounted and replaced.

humbug · 1 Oct 2022 at 13:30

harmattan said:
Right. They're putting an ocean of room between models this gen so they can segment the line even more with a myriad of TIs, Supers, different mem configurations. Dare we even expect the return of Ultras moniker this round?

The 4080 12gb (4060 ti, who are the kidding) is definitely a dawdle that will soon be discounted and replaced.

At this point i'm finding the whole thing more and more amusing.

We are where we are because a small but very loud number in our community desperately trying to justify every penis move and price increase Nvidia made, not only have they not learned a thing from it they have now switched to doing the same with Intel now that they are charging Nvidia money for Nvidia performance.
Intel haven't even got started yet with prices higher than what looks like AMD equivalents and already members of this forum are using the same "Yes but ignore all of that.... X feature better so worth more" arguments they used for Nvidia over the last decade.

We are literally asking for this absurd situation.

Darujhistan · 1 Oct 2022 at 13:34

humbug said:
Right.
The 4080 12GB has less than half the shaders of the 4090 and half the memory bandwidth, like the 3060Ti vs the 3090, calling it the 4070 is being kind to it, the 3070 has more than half the shaders of the 3090.

It is the 4060ti.

humbug · 1 Oct 2022 at 13:36

Darujhistan said:
It is the 4060ti.

You know what, it is, its the RTX 4060Ti, for £950!

Darujhistan · 1 Oct 2022 at 13:38

humbug said:
You know what, it is, its the RTX 4060Ti, for £950!

So more than double what the 3060ti was at launch then...

:cry:

SpellowHouse · 1 Oct 2022 at 13:47

I find it pretty depressing. I used to look forward to the next gen release, it was always a fun upgrade, but now there is nothing to look forward to! The prices are just insane, there is no way I am going to spend £1200+ every few years for a new card. I am seriously contemplating spending my latest upgrade cash on a monitor that is less difficult to drive cus I am damned if I am going to hand it over to "rip-off-NVIDIA".

Dave2150 · 1 Oct 2022 at 13:53

humbug said:
Right.
The 4080 12GB has less than half the shaders of the 4090 and half the memory bandwidth, like the 3060Ti vs the 3090, calling it the 4070 is being kind to it, the 3070 has more than half the shaders of the 3090.

Performance is what matters. Looking forward to reviews, these will sell like hotcakes if the rumoured performance is correct. Hope AMD release good cards too and that they can compete, though I highly doubt it.

humbug · 1 Oct 2022 at 13:59

By Nvidia's own performance slides the 4090 is 67% faster than the 3090Ti, the £950 4060Ti 12GB has less than half the shaders and half the memory bandwidth. Think about that for a minute.

Unless AMD decide to take the opportunity to make Nvidia look stupid to anyone with an IQ above 82 i'm not going to be upgrading my RTX 2070 Super any time soon.

From Nvidia i'm not going to get anything better for much less than £800, And no DLSS is not a replacement for native resolution. I don't care that AMD don't have DLSS i run a 32" 1440P screen, i can easily see the difference.

SpellowHouse · 1 Oct 2022 at 14:03

Dave2150 said:
Performance is what matters. Looking forward to reviews, these will sell like hotcakes if the rumoured performance is correct. Hope AMD release good cards too and that they can compete, though I highly doubt it.

The performance is never as good as people hype it up to be. And give the current financial situation I really don't think there is going to be any hotcake buying! No doubt there will be a number of people going for the 4090 but I really do think that NVIDIA are going to be forced to get real with the 4080 and 4070.

I am not sure that people will want DLSS 3 either. There are already many concerns about latency. We will see, though...

humbug · 1 Oct 2022 at 14:08

When is AMD's RDNA3 paper launch? i keep forgetting....

Halliphax · 1 Oct 2022 at 14:16

HRL said:
Forgive me for being cynical but I’ll believe it when I see it.

That was using DLSS3 and an unreleased game patch that changes RT settings I believe.

I can't find the original article annoyingly but it was WCCFTech that initially wrote it/saw it.

IIRC - it was game version 1.6 and RTX was on so that 75% uplift was both raytracing and rasterisation. Bit annoying but it could swing either way, the performance bump could be held back in this instance by raytracing (i.e if RTX was off then rasterisation could stretch it's legs a bit more or it could go the other way).

Benchmark figures definitely had native 3090Ti vs 4090 without DLSS

humbug · 1 Oct 2022 at 14:38

The 4090 has 52% more shaders than the 3090Ti and a 35% bump in clock speed, scaling on that is never 1:1, its usually around 0.8:1.

humbug · 1 Oct 2022 at 14:43

My guess is the $899 RTX 4060Ti 12GB is around an RTX 3080, which was a $699 GPU.

gpuerrilla · 1 Oct 2022 at 14:55

humbug said:
My guess is the $899 RTX 4060Ti 12GB is around an RTX 3080, which was a $699 GPU.

So same price, two year gap, marginally better overall? Yeah suck a nut on that.

humbug · 1 Oct 2022 at 14:56

gpuerrilla said:
So same price, two year gap, marginally better overall? Yeah suck a nut on that.

But its got DLSS 3, don't you know, that's one betterere than two.

gpuerrilla · 1 Oct 2022 at 14:58

humbug said:
But its got DLSS 3, don't you know, that's one better.

The way its meant to be portrayed?!

Yeah if AMD can drop the 7800 that beats it on all areas for $900, then even those that want AMD to compete to make their GeForce cards cheaper need to get cattle prodded.

humbug · 1 Oct 2022 at 15:02

I think Jenson's lost his marbles.

Darujhistan · 1 Oct 2022 at 15:10

Dave2150 said:
Performance is what matters. Looking forward to reviews, these will sell like hotcakes if the rumoured performance is correct. Hope AMD release good cards too and that they can compete, though I highly doubt it.

AMD released good cards last time that were competitive and generally cheaper, only an NV simp would pretend otherwise.

srekal34 · 1 Oct 2022 at 15:19

Darujhistan said:
AMD released good cards last time that were competitive and generally cheaper, only an NV simp would pretend otherwise.

They were not that competitive, RT was pretty weak. Maybe they will do better this time(I hope)

Dave2150 · 1 Oct 2022 at 15:21

Darujhistan said:
AMD released good cards last time that were competitive and generally cheaper,

The majority disagree with you, as Nvidia was able to maintain a 80% market share, source in https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/t...-2022-despite-gaming-revenue-losses.18958357/

Also refrain from personal insults, too many bad things happening in the world to start insulting people based on their opinions on computer equipment.