NVIDIA 4000 Series

Wise Old Owl · 17 Nov 2022 at 09:51

It definitely looks like we have a scalping issue in this country more so than most. Unfortunately, we seem to have loads of grubby little maggots who want to make something for nothing at the expense of others.

Wintermute2 · 17 Nov 2022 at 10:20

Cd0gz said:
If they sold their GPUs at a reasonable price they would sell more and make more profit.

They are pricing the 4000 class GPUs like we are in a mining boom.

Its their fault.

I’m cognisant that this is a thread about graphics cards, on a forum operated by a hardware retailer – so apologies in advance if microeconomics isn’t of interest – but profit maximisation strategies differ depending on the degree of product differentiation and availability of substitutes. If you’re operating a monopoly your output relative to demand is much lower than in a duopoly, oligopoly or competitive market (in that order). There’s also a concept called price discrimination (first degree, second degree etc.) that helps firms maximise profitability.

I’m guessing most people just want to express anger at graphics card prices, but just in case there is any genuine interest in the economics…

Some good slides from Warwick University on monopolistic and duopolistic profit maximisation:

https://warwick.ac.uk/fac/soc/economics/staff/dsgroi/ec202/w03_monopoly_and_duopoly.pdf

A good article on price discrimination from the CFI

https://corporatefinanceinstitute.com/resources/management/price-discrimination/

I sure hope Jensen sees me fighting his corner and sends me a 4090 FE (or just the opportunity to buy one!) and a leather jacket….

HRL · 17 Nov 2022 at 10:26

Purgatory said:
well they got it to melt....

After days and days testing and even deliberate sabotage of cables, yes they did. The fact that they found it so difficult to replicate bodes well for most users needing to use the cables.

As long as people ensure that the cable is connected properly it would appear that there’s not really much to worry about.

Not condoning the current 12VHPWR, it shouldn’t be so difficult to use safely, and the fact that there’s scope for people to not secure it correctly is definitely a failing in the design.

Tired9 · 17 Nov 2022 at 10:39

Wise Old Owl said:
It definitely looks like we have a scalping issue in this country more so than most. Unfortunately, we seem to have loads of grubby little maggots who want to make something for nothing at the expense of others.

Colonalism, ahh!

zebsmattz · 17 Nov 2022 at 10:48

malachi said:
Here in Switzerland, all 4080's are still in stock. Looks like none have sold from the major retailers.

Will be very interesting to see what happens after 13th December. People have voted with their wallets, this might force Nvidia to drop the price of the 4080 just to shift them.

Here's hoping that happens - but they would have to drop the prices of their entire 30xx range also (which would be fine by me!!)

Jay-G25 · 17 Nov 2022 at 10:48

A fix for the black screen issue on the 4080/4080 FE , I have this issue so very happy they decided to pull their finger out and release to publicly

NVIDIA has a fix for GeForce RTX 4090 and RTX 4080 blank screen issues - VideoCardz.com

New firmware for GeForce RTX 4090/4080 to fix blank screen during boot NVIDIA releases an updated Firmware Update Tool that should resolve an issue reported by some reviewers. Some RTX 4090/4080 cards may show blank screens during system boot. This issue has now been identified and fixed by...

videocardz.com

malachi · 17 Nov 2022 at 10:52

zebsmattz said:
Here's hoping that happens - but they would have to drop the prices of their entire 30xx range also (which would be fine by me!!)

Yeah, a nice knock on effect.

30xx moves down, 4080 moves down. Realigning back to realistic mid card level prices. Only thing staying high is the 4090.

^JP^ · 17 Nov 2022 at 10:54

Jay-G25 said:
A fix for the black screen issue on the 4080/4080 FE , I have this issue so very happy they decided to pull their finger out and release to publicly

NVIDIA has a fix for GeForce RTX 4090 and RTX 4080 blank screen issues - VideoCardz.com

New firmware for GeForce RTX 4090/4080 to fix blank screen during boot NVIDIA releases an updated Firmware Update Tool that should resolve an issue reported by some reviewers. Some RTX 4090/4080 cards may show blank screens during system boot. This issue has now been identified and fixed by...

videocardz.com

Let us know how you get on with it.

OverDrive · 17 Nov 2022 at 11:10

Some very interesting and informative posts regarding the economics and fabrication above.

zebsmattz · 17 Nov 2022 at 11:11

malachi said:
Yeah, a nice knock on effect.

30xx moves down, 4080 moves down. Realigning back to realistic mid card level prices. Only thing staying high is the 4090.

Don't hold your breath - they are selling them at the high prices so why would they lower them?

Twinz · 17 Nov 2022 at 11:14

zebsmattz said:
Don't hold your breath - they are selling them at the high prices so why would they lower them?

It depends on how many they need to move and how soon they want to be clear of the 3000 stock.

deuse · 17 Nov 2022 at 11:20

Jay-G25 said:
A fix for the black screen issue on the 4080/4080 FE , I have this issue so very happy they decided to pull their finger out and release to publicly

NVIDIA has a fix for GeForce RTX 4090 and RTX 4080 blank screen issues - VideoCardz.com

New firmware for GeForce RTX 4090/4080 to fix blank screen during boot NVIDIA releases an updated Firmware Update Tool that should resolve an issue reported by some reviewers. Some RTX 4090/4080 cards may show blank screens during system boot. This issue has now been identified and fixed by...

videocardz.com

"Change boot mode from UEFI to Legacy/CSM
Boot using an alternate graphics source (secondary card or integrated graphics)"

So those who don't have second card or integrated graphics can do one....

Jay-G25 · 17 Nov 2022 at 11:31

deuse said:
"Change boot mode from UEFI to Legacy/CSM
Boot using an alternate graphics source (secondary card or integrated graphics)"

So those who don't have second card or integrated graphics can do one....

I don't have a second card or igpu but can get into windows no problem, the issue this solves is a black screen at the initial boot up screen. Not sure why they would put that as even without a driver installed I still get basic vga once in windows.

Iron Man · 17 Nov 2022 at 11:35

Colonel_Klinck said:
So GN is saying the failures seem down to badly inserted connector, user error. Even the taught cables needs the connector not to be properly inserted.

Makes sense it’s largely user error as the only posts I saw about cable failures were on the Reddit Nvidia site and the majority of the people posting on there seem clueless.

Jay-G25 · 17 Nov 2022 at 12:00

^JP^ said:
Let us know how you get on with it.

Can confirm the update has fixed the problem and am now able to see bios screen and the correct Asus Rog logo when booting into window .... Happy Days

^JP^ · 17 Nov 2022 at 12:01

Jay-G25 said:
Can confirm the update has fixed the problem and am now able to see bios screen and the correct Asus Rog logo when booting into window .... Happy Days

Excellent will do mine later!

willhub · 17 Nov 2022 at 13:41

JediFragger said:
Utter ***** this bloke

Utter **** this lass is.

Matthew Hunt · 17 Nov 2022 at 14:22

Jay-G25 said:
Can confirm the update has fixed the problem and am now able to see bios screen and the correct Asus Rog logo when booting into window .... Happy Days

Do you have a FE card or partner card.
I have the issue when using DP only, but would be good to go back to that rather than using HDMI.

Kronos · 17 Nov 2022 at 14:30

Why is the FE vesion of the 4080 so hard to find?

Jay-G25 · 17 Nov 2022 at 14:38

Matthew Hunt said:
Do you have a FE card or partner card.
I have the issue when using DP only, but would be good to go back to that rather than using HDMI.

I have the FE card mate , as it also says partner card ( AIB ) might as well give it a try as it will do a check to make sure its compatible before going ahead