NVIDIA 4000 Series

[chrcoluk]

7900 XTX the better buy unless you a RT fan.

 

[Leww]

Despite 4080s still being in stock, I don’t know that they are selling “terribly” they may indeed be happy with the volume moved as they clear out 3 series and amd 6 series. and all of our worst fears come true and 4070ti is close to 1k.. then the fence sitters just buy the 7900XT/XTX/4080/4090 they have been waiting on.

The pressure to keep prices high I think will stay as they delay the mid range stuff till later next year and it forces you further up the price range if you upgrade.

People seem to assume they will HAVE TO change prices… but I don’t think they will… I think the products out NOW will stay and they might adjust new launches slightly but AMD/Nvidia will stay in sync

 

[Colonel_Klinck]

7900 XTX the better buy unless you a RT fan.

Who isn't an RT fan now? If you have a card that is capable of delivering RT at good frame rates you are going to use it. It used to be a gimmick but it isn't now.

 

[delta0]

Who isn't an RT fan now? If you have a card that is capable of delivering RT at good frame rates you are going to use it. It used to be a gimmick but it isn't now.

Small to moderate amounts used well it is good. Sometimes it is a bit much when it’s dialled all the way up.

 

[JediFragger]

Small to moderate amounts used well it is good. Sometimes it is a bit much when it’s dialled all the way up.

 

[delta0]

Every 4090 owner whilst wearing sunglasses

 

[Nexus18]

7900 XTX the better buy unless you a RT fan.

Over a 4080?

Regardless of RT, I rather go 4080 for access to dlss (this will be the main advantage until fsr is "consistently" implemented well and uptake keeps up), frame generation, better power efficiency/performance per watt, better vr (think I'm going to get a headset next year), consistent good performance across a large variety of games and not just excelling in 1 or 2 titles and then under performing in several others and also Nvidia seem to do better with indie/smaller titles like valheim and less hardware/driver issues.

I also heard hdr is apparently broken with RDNA 3 too.

Essentially give rDNA 3 another few months and a price drop if £100 then it will be a good competitor imo

 

[chrcoluk]

Who isn't an RT fan now? If you have a card that is capable of delivering RT at good frame rates you are going to use it. It used to be a gimmick but it isn't now.

Its a gimmick to save effort for devs I think, look at witcher 3, a game originally pre RT, and the lighting is so good that the RT version doesnt look as good but of course sells gpus due to the performance tanking.

People have been fooled by RT because usually the games with it on, have low effort non RT lighting, but stick it on a old game like witcher 3 and its suddenly 'meh', sometime last year a developer on here mentioned the main benefit is to save game developers time on games.

 

[Twinz]

Who isn't an RT fan now? If you have a card that is capable of delivering RT at good frame rates you are going to use it. It used to be a gimmick but it isn't now.

I tried Crysis remastered with "Can it run Crysis?" settings, and then got Death Stranding (Epic free game)...

Death Stranding looks much better, runs smoother and my 4090 pulls less than half the power running it.

Games can look great without ray tracing, and having ray tracing doesn't automatically make a game look better than one that doesn't.

Playing those two games on the same weekend made me think "ray tracing" is becoming ""ELECTROLYTES!" from the movie Idiocrocy.

 

[Nexus18]

Its a gimmick to save effort for devs I think, look at witcher 3, a game originally pre RT, and the lighting is so good that the RT version doesnt look as good but of course sells gpus due to the performance tanking.

People have been fooled by RT because usually the games with it on, have low effort non RT lighting, sometime last year a developer on here mentioned the main benefit is to save game developers time on games.

I would read 4a enhanced articles on it, far from a "gimmick":

IN-DEPTH TECHNICAL DIVE INTO METRO EXODUS PC ENHANCED EDITION — 4A Games

OUT NOW! We’re happy to let you know that the Metro Exodus PC Enhanced Edition is now released, bringing on board incredible improvements for Ray Tracing-capable GPUs, including Field of View options, DLSS 2.0, and much more. It is also a free entitlement to current owners – as it is so extensive

www.4a-games.com.mt

EVERYTHING TECHNICAL ABOUT METRO EXODUS UPGRADE FOR PLAYSTATION 5 AND XBOX SERIES X|S — 4A Games

IT’S OUT! We’re thrilled to let you know that the Metro Exodus next gen upgrade for PlayStation 5 and Xbox Series X|S is OUT NOW . This is a perfect chance to dive into Metro Exodus since this upgrade includes generational advancements you will read about further in this blog. On top of that

www.4a-games.com.mt

There are other articles on it by devs too but 4a enhanced is by far the best.

Gamers also benefit by better visuals and if done right as per above statements, we'll get far more dynamic worlds i.e. better destruction and so on, something which no longer is done well or even at all these days.

Also, witcher 3 non RT lighting, shadows, reflections are probably the worst raster effects I have ever seen, everything looked like a cardboard piece glued into a cardboard background RT adds a lot more depth and makes objects feel apart of the game world rather than just randomly dumped in.

I tried Crysis remastered with "Can it run Crysis?" settings, and then got Death Stranding (Epic free game)...

Death Stranding looks much better, runs smoother and my 4090 pulls less than half the power running it.

Games can look great without ray tracing, and having ray tracing doesn't automatically make a game look better than one that doesn't.

Playing those two games on the same weekend made me think "ray tracing" is becoming ""ELECTROLYTES!" from the movie Idiocrocy.

Definitely! i.e. rdr 2 but sadly that took them years to get to those levels of visuals, most game developers don't want to spend that time and effort or would even have the budget nor be given the time to get visuals like that.

1 scene/frame of RT vs raster workflow for 4a enhanced:




Crysis remastered isn't a "great" RT implementation either.

If you want to experience the best of what RT can offer, cp 2077, control, chernobylite, metro ee, portal rtx, lego game, riftbreaker, the ascent, spiderman are better titles. Everything else like GOTG, fc 6, re etc. are just basic RT additions.

 

[chrcoluk]

We will agree to disagree, for me witcher 3 original lighting is better, and there is loads on the internet downgrading it back to classic.

Also whats the screenshot you posted from a developer tool? after I said the main benefit is to developers.

 

[Joxeon]

Despite 4080s still being in stock, I don’t know that they are selling “terribly” they may indeed be happy with the volume moved as they clear out 3 series and amd 6 series. and all of our worst fears come true and 4070ti is close to 1k.. then the fence sitters just buy the 7900XT/XTX/4080/4090 they have been waiting on.

The pressure to keep prices high I think will stay as they delay the mid range stuff till later next year and it forces you further up the price range if you upgrade.

People seem to assume they will HAVE TO change prices… but I don’t think they will… I think the products out NOW will stay and they might adjust new launches slightly but AMD/Nvidia will stay in sync

Demand only goes down from launch so if they are selling poorly now then imagine in 6 months and then a year from now when people get into the "I'll just wait for next gen territory"

If they price the 70ti near 1k then that won't sell either as no one with any sense will pay that for a card which is not much faster than a 3080 or 6800XT from 2 years ago.

 

[Nexus18]

We will agree to disagree, for me witcher 3 original lighting is better, and there is loads on the internet downgrading it back to classic.

Also whats the screenshot you posted from a developer tool? after I said the main benefit is to developers.

Yup true, each to their own and all, some of my screenshots, notable improvement imo:

I think most are going back to the non RT version because of performance issues above all else, which of course is a perfectly valid reason given it can be going from 30 fps to 80+ for some people

Spoiler

Essentially if performance wasn't an issue, everyone would be turning it on without a second thought, same way when people get the gpu power, they whack other settings to max

Screenshot of workflow time is from 4a enhanced recording of them comparing their workflow for raster and rt methods. I know you did, that was more in reference to twinz i.e. raster methods can get us great results such as seen in rdr 2 but to get that level, it would take devs ages and time = money. I've noticed in some recent games, SSR looks awful now i.e. literally non existent reflections, probably because devs just don't see the point or/and can't be bothered spending time with raster methods when they can just add reflections via RT methods. This is how I see things going with raster shadows, lighting etc. they will start to look really awful as more devs embrace RT methods going forward and people will say "developers are deliberately gimping raster to make RT look good"

 

[chrcoluk]

Its a mixture of both I think, some dont like how close the character is to camera now, water doesnt look as good, lighting not as good, and the performance hit obviously makes it all seem not worth it. Its a pretty big performance hit as well, with not even Ampere able to get decent performance.

For me I would love the higher quality textures (and grass) mixed in with everything else on the classic version.

 

[Colonel_Klinck]

Its a gimmick to save effort for devs I think, look at witcher 3, a game originally pre RT, and the lighting is so good that the RT version doesnt look as good but of course sells gpus due to the performance tanking.

People have been fooled by RT because usually the games with it on, have low effort non RT lighting, but stick it on a old game like witcher 3 and its suddenly 'meh', sometime last year a developer on here mentioned the main benefit is to save game developers time on games.

How can you say that? I haven't played W3 since the update but from what I've seen its night and day in lighting and shadows, though it still needs work in some areas like water reflections. When RT is done well it adds a lot to the realism.

video starts at RT

I think RT added a lot to Metro Exodus.

 

[Woodsta888]

Only saving grace for W3 remaster is that it's free.

But still, game developers need to stop sending out alpha versions expecting for those people to pay MSRP. I never buy a game on release anymore. They should send out beta's, free for a short while to beta test, collect data - refine game for release. Greedy shareholders sending out rubbish because people will pay for it. I want a good experience from a game

When AAA games are half price, you seem to get a version that is somewhat 'the way it's meant to be played'.

Indie games seem to be released in a much better state - or you buy in early to help develop. Like Squad did, even their Alpha was way more playable than the drivel so called AAA titles are released at today.

 

[Leww]

Demand only goes down from launch so if they are selling poorly now then imagine in 6 months and then a year from now when people get into the "I'll just wait for next gen territory"

If they price the 70ti near 1k then that won't sell either as no one with any sense will pay that for a card which is not much faster than a 3080 or 6800XT from 2 years ago.

I think it’s pretty obvious the 70ti will definitely be at least £900. We might see them go £799 and amd also to drop to 799 on the XT. The supposed leaked 70 series specs seem a lot closer to 3080/6800xt… so Altho value may not be great I think it would be unrealistic to expect prices to drop anymore than like 10% max

I’m currently about to order a 6900xt … tried to convince myself I needed a 4080/7900xt(x) but just felt “bad”… despite the money not really being s huge factor.

 

[Woodsta888]

I think it’s pretty obvious the 70ti will definitely be at least £900. We might see them go £799 and amd also to drop to 799 on the XT. The supposed leaked 70 series specs seem a lot closer to 3080/6800xt… so Altho value may not be great I think it would be unrealistic to expect prices to drop anymore than like 10% max

I’m currently about to order a 6900xt … tried to convince myself I needed a 4080/7900xt(x) but just felt “bad”… despite the money not really being s huge factor.

GeForce RTX 4070 Ti from Nvidia is available in Serbia at the price of 1460 euros

While the GeForce RTX 4070 Ti graphics card has not officially been released by Nvidia, it does seem available for purchase in Serbia. It looks like the Gigabyte RTX 4070 Ti Gaming variant is on displ...

www.guru3d.com

 

[Leww]

Buy our 4080 whilst it’s £1099
Merry Christmas

I was having errors on my browser on 2 computers I tried to buy this and then tried again last night, deal gone….. honour it again??

 

[Alt0153]

I was having errors on my browser on 2 computers I tried to buy this and then tried again last night, deal gone….. honour it again??

sorry xmas is over now