NVIDIA 5000 SERIES - ***NO COMPETITOR HINTING***

[mahius]

The 5080 has arrived and there's a meltdown now as theres no upgrade for 4080 owners.

You misinterpret my friend. The meltdown is the lacklustre price/performance improvement this generation and the fact that the 5080 doesn't beat or come close to a 4090. Admittedly it's on the same node, but we've had far better generational improvements on the same node in the past.

Even folks waiting longer from weaker GPUs hoping to upgrade also feel put off by 5080, not all, but many of us. Imagine being a 3080 owner hoping that the 5080 gets a similar performance boost the 3080 did. Not everyone upgrades each gen or even every couple of gens. Many of us wait for significant performance increases at certain price points.
Forgetting the cut-down core counts (the 5080's relative core-count is equivalent to 60/60ti series), even by price the 5080 isn't in the same segment as the 3080 any more.

E.g. double performance for what one bought their current card for. 5080 isn't a massive performance boost at the same price as 3080.
When comparing relative to price, a 65% increase in performance (3080 > 5080) at 43% increase in price (£700 > £1000)... a 5080 isn't even a worthwhile upgrade for 3080 owners.
Unless folks are suddenly increasing their GPU budgets, when looking for products priced similarly, a 3080 owner would likely be looking at something priced like a 5070ti.
And I doubt there's the same difference between 3080 and 5070ti.

Don't bother bringing up inflation for the millionth time folks, it just drags discussions off topic.

 

[parisv]

These details of what and how do not matter really. The only thing that matter is they did it again - they've tried with 4080 16GB and 12GB, learned why that didn't work, corrected it and did it again but this time masked it better. I do hope it won't work for them this time either and they'll finally get the message, otherwise they'll do it again with 6k series but even worse for us.

40 and 50 series on 4nm. 60 series going to 3nm so there will be a bigger percentage jump in performance easily. Plus AMD are going to launch a udna flagship so at least they will be some sort of competition.

 

[xaldub]

At the high end all I can think of is 10x series to the 20x series was a pathetic showing and I pretty much dumped my PC until the 30x series landed lol.

Other than that yes I agree I can't think of a worse generational upgrade, The 80 class and below are an absolute joke compared to their 40x series predecessors.

I can relate to that ... I stuck with a 1080Ti and sat out the 2000 series. My PC ended up playing second fiddle to a PS4 Pro and Switch until I picked up a 3090 just before GPU prices went crazy. This 5000 series launch feels similarly underwhelming ; only difference is my current 4090 remains a strong performer and will easily carry me through the next 2 years, or however long it takes for the 6000 series cards to be announced.

 

[parisv]

30 people in competitor store site queue according their discord. Wonder how they deal with that vs online orders.

 

[Capitano]

40 and 50 series on 4nm. 60 series going to 3nm so there will be a bigger percentage jump in performance easily. Plus AMD are going to launch a udna flagship so at least they will be some sort of competition.

Yeah I think the jump from 50 to 60 series will definitely be bigger than the jump from 40 to 50 series.. But then again thats not hard.
Gets a bit tricky for people who needed a new GPU this time around but now may need to wait very long

 

[ljt]

Looks like I'm still going to be waiting for at least 50% performance increase over my 3080fe for the same (or very close to) price I paid (£650)

Doesn't even look like the 5070Ti will manage that.

I'm not going to pay another 45% more money for what is approx 70% improvement.

Hardware releases are getting less and less interesting these days.

 

[RavenXXX2]

40 and 50 series on 4nm. 60 series going to 3nm so there will be a bigger percentage jump in performance easily. Plus AMD are going to launch a udna flagship so at least they will be some sort of competition.

That does not stop nvidia designing better GPUs for gaming, or and increase die size for more cores, a bigger memory interface, more cache, more vram. You don't need to make excuses for what is more not giving a **** about gaming.

 

[hobib_ali]

anyone see any benches for MSFS 2024 with the new 50 series cards? I cant see any yet, MSFS2024 is very demanding, even for the 4090

 

[Grim5]

anyone see any benches for MSFS 2024 with the new 50 series cards? I cant see any yet, MSFS2024 is very demanding, even for the 4090

Tech testers channel did:

At 4k

5090: 92fps
5080: 73fps
4090: 92fps


5090 and 4090 are 26% ahead of the 5080. 5090 and 4090 get same fps, 9800X3D too weak, game is CPU bottlenecked

So in summary don't buy a 5090 for MSFS2024 unless you're ok with getting the same performance as a 4090

 

[parisv]

That does not stop nvidia deigning better GPUs for gaming, or and increase die size for more cores, a bigger memory interface, more cache, more vram. You don't need to make excuses for what is more not giving a **** about gaming.

Oh yeah we know that.

Why should they care their focus is elsewhere.

Since this series uplift is so poor not as many will buy, the revenue will go down again, they might as well not bother soon.

 

[VincentHanna]

30 people in competitor store site queue according their discord. Wonder how they deal with that vs online orders.

That is madness.

So they are physically queuing now, in the cold, to get a GPU that goes on sale in over 12 hours?

 

[parisv]

Tech testers channel did:

At 4k

5090: 92fps
5080: 73fps
4090: 92fps


5090 and 4090 are 26% ahead of the 5080. 5090 and 4090 get same fps, 9800X3D too weak, game is CPU bottlenecked

So in summary don't buy a 5090 for MSFS2024 unless you're ok with getting the same performance as a 4090

Just needs optimisation, that will change with an update.

 

[McCarthy]

30 people in competitor store site queue according their discord. Wonder how they deal with that vs online orders.

Could be disappointing if the stock is pretty much non existent.

Good luck to them.

 

[parisv]

That is madness.

So they are physically queuing now, in the cold, to get a GPU that goes on sale in over 12 hours?

Yeah someone shared a pic on their discord, don’t see any tents either.

 

[Bidley]

Basically the 5080 should be the 5070ti or 5070.

He's spot on, and I and a few others have been saying this since the specs were leaked.

Instead of not trying to scam buyers with a gimped GPU with the same name as the properly specced one, they just haven't offered the properly specced one and made the gimped one the same price.

 

[Halliphax]

Just needs optimisation, that will change with an update.

Or just use MFG, I know some people in this thread have a hard-on for hating it right now but MSFS is literally the best type of game possible to use MFG with.

 

[Absolutely Clueless]

Or just use MFG, I know some people in this thread have a hard-on for hating it right now but MSFS is literally the best type of game possible to use MFG with.

100%. MSFS 2020/2024 is the best use case for frame generation as you don't really notice the artefacts or additional latency as it is such a slow paced game.

 

[TNA]

Feeling pretty good about my clearance 4080 bargain. My 3080 can chill in the living room machine to live out it's final days.

How much?

 

[Tinek]

40 and 50 series on 4nm. 60 series going to 3nm so there will be a bigger percentage jump in performance easily. Plus AMD are going to launch a udna flagship so at least they will be some sort of competition.

Again, it's not about details like this, nodes etc. Node change is just easy way to port same product and get some gains "for free", without much of the R&D spent on it. Things can always be designed better on current node too - they clearly didn't do it. But most importantly, they also did not want to give bigger chip as 5080, even though nothing stopped them (5090 is way bigger after all, plenty of choices in between) - it was a deliberate choice. A choice that they can repeat with 6k series unless market speaks up and votes with wallets.

 

[Absolutely Clueless]

Again, it's not about details like this, nodes etc. Node change is just easy way to port same product and get some gains "for free", without much of the R&D spent on it. Things can always be designed better on current node too - they clearly didn't do it. But most importantly, they also did not want to give bigger chip as 5080, even though nothing stopped them (5090 is way bigger after all, plenty of choices in between) - it was a deliberate choice. A choice that they can repeat with 6k series unless market speaks up and votes with wallets.

Yep, very much a minimal effort all round sort of job by Nvidia. Also, 4nm to 3nm is not a massive jump. Don't expect 60% gains from the 5090 to 6090.