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Sorry this post ended up a bit of a rant 
To be honest I really don't understand the ongoing emphasis with the 'generation uplifts' and why that would materially impacts why anyone would want to buy one... or 'perceived value' of any card
The 40 series had the best generational uplifts ever, yup, and this is definitely a smaller uplift this time around ... but what I really care about is: (i) whether the juicy thing I'm buying is giving me enough juice, and (ii) whether the compromises are acceptable, the most obvious one being price then probably noise.
If I buy 100 chocolate bars for £100, that's the same value as buying 130 chocolate bars for £130... or even 70 chocolate bars for £70.
^^^ I know it doesn't track precisely but that's pretty much exactly how I view the 4080, 4090 and 5090. Granted, the 4080 was overpriced on launch, but then came the arrival of the 4080 super at £1k.
£999 - 4080 super
£1,539 - 4090
£1,939 - 5090
According to TechPowerUp, the 4080 actually sits closer to the 4090 than the 4090 sits to the 5090:
Soooo really, where is this 4090 is the "bestest value" coming from? I don't think the answer can solely rest on "oh but a couple of games use loads of vram with mods so the 16GB 4080 is totally useless" - fair enough for people that spend all their time playing such games or people that use it for work, but for 'average joe' it's a bit of a silly argument IMO.
Put another way: would the 5090 (130 chocolate bars for £130) suddenly become 'better value' if in an alternate timeline if 4090 cost less and performed less (90 chocolate bars for £90), giving it a bigger generational uplift? Answer: no, of course not. That's daft.
TLDR: (i) buy and enjoy a card based on whether it gives YOU and uplift that YOU want for the price, (ii) don't argue that 100 chocolate bars for £100 is 'better value' than 130 chocolate bars for £130, (iii) complaining at the price of chocolate generally is different.... fair game
As for myself, I'm pretty worried about the 5090 coil whine situation... not something I can easily compromise on, unfortunately (I sent back 2x 4090s for whine).
To be honest I really don't understand the ongoing emphasis with the 'generation uplifts' and why that would materially impacts why anyone would want to buy one... or 'perceived value' of any card
The 40 series had the best generational uplifts ever, yup, and this is definitely a smaller uplift this time around ... but what I really care about is: (i) whether the juicy thing I'm buying is giving me enough juice, and (ii) whether the compromises are acceptable, the most obvious one being price then probably noise.
If I buy 100 chocolate bars for £100, that's the same value as buying 130 chocolate bars for £130... or even 70 chocolate bars for £70.
^^^ I know it doesn't track precisely but that's pretty much exactly how I view the 4080, 4090 and 5090. Granted, the 4080 was overpriced on launch, but then came the arrival of the 4080 super at £1k.
£999 - 4080 super
£1,539 - 4090
£1,939 - 5090
According to TechPowerUp, the 4080 actually sits closer to the 4090 than the 4090 sits to the 5090:
Soooo really, where is this 4090 is the "bestest value" coming from? I don't think the answer can solely rest on "oh but a couple of games use loads of vram with mods so the 16GB 4080 is totally useless" - fair enough for people that spend all their time playing such games or people that use it for work, but for 'average joe' it's a bit of a silly argument IMO.
Put another way: would the 5090 (130 chocolate bars for £130) suddenly become 'better value' if in an alternate timeline if 4090 cost less and performed less (90 chocolate bars for £90), giving it a bigger generational uplift? Answer: no, of course not. That's daft.
TLDR: (i) buy and enjoy a card based on whether it gives YOU and uplift that YOU want for the price, (ii) don't argue that 100 chocolate bars for £100 is 'better value' than 130 chocolate bars for £130, (iii) complaining at the price of chocolate generally is different.... fair game
As for myself, I'm pretty worried about the 5090 coil whine situation... not something I can easily compromise on, unfortunately (I sent back 2x 4090s for whine).
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Pretty much as expected. 30% performance increase for 30% more shekels. With the added minus of 30% more power consumption. No wonder they were banging on about MFG to beat the band. Can see the lower stack looking even worse than the 4000 series, which was abysmal in it's own right (bar the 4090). Glad I swallowed my pride and stumped up the cash for an MSRP 4090 18 months back. Hopefully in a good upgrade cycle now. If the 6090 gets off 4nm, will likely be the next winning price/performance gen. 980ti to 1080ti to 3080 MSRP to 4090 MSRP. I'm proud of that streak 
Watching the prices on AIB cards skyrocket is gonna be a good laugh.
Watching the prices on AIB cards skyrocket is gonna be a good laugh.
Nvidia is gonna have to explain how they went from the rtx4000 being the most efficient GPUs on the market for low power tasks, like web browsing, video playback, multi monitor use etc to rtx5000 being one of the worst. Some how Nvidia has caused rtx5000 to consume twice the watts as 4000
Two monitors connected and idling at desktop:
24w on 4090
56w on 5090
Two monitors connected and idling at desktop:
24w on 4090
56w on 5090
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It came from the original MSRP of the 4080 non-super at 1200 vs the 4090 at 1600. The 4080 Super arriving later at 1000 while performing the same or better than the 4080 is why the TPU chart looks better.
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I guess the time has passed now but i remember when it was just a given that the next generation would be significantly stronger than the previous one but the expectation would also be that prices would stay about the same.
yes we have inflation...... £1950 today is probably not that much more than £1500 in 2020 HOWEVER back in the day inflation was still a thing, but electronics were just getting cheaper each generation.
this still seems to be the case with some electrical goods...... my new TV is so much better than my old one despite it having less than half the RRP but for computer stuff that seems to be long over now.
bottom line i think we are at the point of diminishing returns. in a way it isnt that terrible so long as we dont get trapped in the "must have new shiny thing". anyone who has a 4090 imo either has so much spare cash that they do not need to worry about it or their priorities are....... lets say far different to mine if they feel they absolutely need to get a 5090.
i still have a 3090 and to be honest i am strugging to see any need to upgrade. to each their own but unless my gpu goes pop i suspect i will be skipping this gen as well.
maybe i will get a 6080 next gen.
yes we have inflation...... £1950 today is probably not that much more than £1500 in 2020 HOWEVER back in the day inflation was still a thing, but electronics were just getting cheaper each generation.
this still seems to be the case with some electrical goods...... my new TV is so much better than my old one despite it having less than half the RRP but for computer stuff that seems to be long over now.
bottom line i think we are at the point of diminishing returns. in a way it isnt that terrible so long as we dont get trapped in the "must have new shiny thing". anyone who has a 4090 imo either has so much spare cash that they do not need to worry about it or their priorities are....... lets say far different to mine if they feel they absolutely need to get a 5090.
i still have a 3090 and to be honest i am strugging to see any need to upgrade. to each their own but unless my gpu goes pop i suspect i will be skipping this gen as well.
maybe i will get a 6080 next gen.
And for that reason Jensen I’m out
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Just watched a couple of the reviews.
Honestly the 5090 is just meh. Like most have said it's hardly worth being called a 5000 series card, when you factor in the increase power consumption and the performance it's an overclocked 4090.
I can't say i'm whelmed or underwhelmed it's just meh nothing to see here kind of response.
The biggest percentage increase for the 5090 is the amount of reasons people are going to have to justify buying it, i'm sure i'll hear things i've never heard of before.
Based on the 5090 (apparently) having the biggest increase from the stack I can see why the 5080 has had a price reduction, based on the 5090 alone, this is clearly a refresh with updated software and there's nothing "new" about it.
Oh well.
Honestly the 5090 is just meh. Like most have said it's hardly worth being called a 5000 series card, when you factor in the increase power consumption and the performance it's an overclocked 4090.
I can't say i'm whelmed or underwhelmed it's just meh nothing to see here kind of response.
The biggest percentage increase for the 5090 is the amount of reasons people are going to have to justify buying it, i'm sure i'll hear things i've never heard of before.
Based on the 5090 (apparently) having the biggest increase from the stack I can see why the 5080 has had a price reduction, based on the 5090 alone, this is clearly a refresh with updated software and there's nothing "new" about it.
Oh well.
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I love DF, but their day 1 hardware reviews are never tip top tbh.
Digital Shillery are at it again right from the opening statements..
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Digital Shillery are at it again right from the opening statements..
He sounds like he either has a cold or a lot of sniffing BS has been going on.
The cooler is impressive but, so far at least, Blackwell money isn't really any faster than Ada money, so it's a bit of a let down generationally.
I do get the impression that this is a workstation card that's been shoehorned into the gaming segment and there could be better performance with future drivers as Nvidia figures out how to get all the extra hardware utilized.
I do get the impression that this is a workstation card that's been shoehorned into the gaming segment and there could be better performance with future drivers as Nvidia figures out how to get all the extra hardware utilized.
Yes - that was the value of buying it then. I’m talking about the value of buying things now, with reference to the 5090, which offers broadly equivalent value.
The 4090 was the best value card to buy at the time of its launch, especially compared to the 4080, sure.
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Going by the reviews it seems unless you're gaming at 4k the gpu is going to see plenty of cpu throttling at 1440p and 1080p and any uplift wouldn't be that significant.
The chances of getting a card at msrp is quite slim but if you do fair play, it's not for me I'm disappointed the reviews for the 5080 & 5070ti wasn't out today as well. (not interested in the 5070 12gb card)
The chances of getting a card at msrp is quite slim but if you do fair play, it's not for me I'm disappointed the reviews for the 5080 & 5070ti wasn't out today as well. (not interested in the 5070 12gb card)