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NVIDIA 5000 SERIES

stfn said:
Which AIB at MSRP version do you guys usually like? I'm ruling out flagship stuff like Aorus Master/Suprim/Astral at this price point, but since there is so many we have not heard of at all, I really don't know what to go for if I get the opportunity (still expecting majority of available stock to be flagship versions just because they earn the most on that).
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I recall most of the entry level 4090 cards being very meh. I'm expecting the same this time, and it looks like it, from the 5090 Palit Gamerock temperatures in the Techpowerup review. At this price point I think it is worth stepping up slightly to a mid-tier card like the Gaming OC. Just my 2c based on the 4090 AIB cards.
 
Vertigo said:
Forget NVidia, the big issue with such tariffs would be Apple.

How do you think Americans are going to feel when the cost of their i-devices suddenly skyrockets?
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The chip itself is a small part of the iPhones cost. Actual BOM for a top of the range iPhone is like $500 with the SOC being like $50 and Apple is now making iPhones in India

So realistically even with large tariffs on TSMC chips, it's only gonna add 10% extra cost for the consumer

Desktop GPU and CPUs are far more affected because far more of their cost is from TSMC
 
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Vertigo said:
Isn't it 2pm tomorrow for the 5080 FE reviews?

If they were underwhelmed by the 5090, the 5080 is going to be a total trainwreck.
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It'll still have a better price to performance uplift than the 5090 had although thats only going off the fake MSRP FE, the AIB models will be a regression vs 4080S AIB.
 
Grim5 said:
In the short term, only affects Americans and anyone who's wholesalers buy from the USA, such as Canada.

In the long term, if more manufacturing moves back to the USA, it means higher costs for the whole world

Last time Trump floated crazy tariffs it was estimated it would increase the retail prices of affected electronics by between 20 and 50%
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Thats assuming Nvidia don't put up worldwide prices to subsidise US consumers.
 
parisv said:
Tsmc are going to produce chips in America so it’s working for Trump.
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Nothing to do with Trump I think. that's on the back of Biden's 'Chips and Science Act' he signed in 2022, so TSMC building plants in the US allows them to claim billions in subsidies as far as I'm aware. takes time to build plants though(3/4 years), so they'll come online during Trump's presidency, so he'll claim credit of course
 
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Joxeon said:
Thats assuming Nvidia don't put up worldwide prices to subsidise US consumers.
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Don't see why they would, it makes sense to pass it through to US consumers so they experience pain and put pressure on Trump to reverse tariffs.

If US customers aren't affected then manufacturing won't come back and Trump will increase tariffs more

Additionally doubt if the world can actually pay for all the US's tariffs; the US must sell a lot more GPus than Outside the country and the world doesn't have the money to pay for US consumers tariffs
 
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McCarthy said:
And once you manage to get the website to load………It’s already over.

Reminds me of when I was a kid and I used to run the phone bill up trying to get through to the Saturday morning live competitions on the telly. Not once did I get a chance :rolleyes:
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Yea I'm not getting one. No chance. I'll try and expect failure
 
ICDP said:
That’s not how it will work. The US is a massive market so losses there cannot simply be diverted to the rest of the world. To make up for those loses they will raise prices elsewhere. They could even subsidise lower US MSRP by increasing MSRP everywhere else.
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Isn't that dependent on supply and demand. If there's plenty of supply, raising prices in the US might mean a 20% drop in sales..who knows..but they'll still sell gpus, it wont just go to nothing.....if the 20% can't be sold then yes, they'll have to make up the loss by raising prices.
that's not the case though is it...from all the news there's going to be a shortage of gpus, so a 20% loss in the US will get absorbed by the rest of the world without any loss to nvidia....the only harm it will do is to the US consumer. also bare in mind they only pay 5% tax on purchase, so raising a tariff on the chip(not the full cost of the whole gpu) may just raise the price where it's more in line with what the rest of the world pay...if an enthusiast is willing to pay $3000 for an AIB 5090 where the fe is $2000, i think they'll be enough buyer is the tariff means they may be paying $2,300 lets say, like the rest of the world
if he keepsraising tariffs, multinationals may just move production/headquarters away from the US also..that way they can continue to manufacture good they sell around the world, the tariff on the chips might only be a small part of overall cost of a product(say a car for example), and if they move their headquarters then the US will loose tax revenue also...it does happen..plenty of companies in Geneva that left when Labour put corporation tax up...even when Tories dropped it again, they never came back.
the danger with tariffs. double edge sword that can backfire if you're not to careful. It's working for Trump at the mo due to his unpredicatability, and the fact the people are behind him..if prices start to rise quickly in US and infation rears it's head again, he'll loose his support. long way off from that happenning at mo...but interesting times
also, as pointed out TSMC are building 3 fab plants in the US, the 1st of which will come online soon...Once that happens they can produce locally without incurring tariffs(though think Apple got most of production atm)
 
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