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NVIDIA ‘Ampere’ 8nm Graphics Cards

sell your card in the couple of weeks before hard launch of next series. I've never done it but am intrigued to try it this round. That said not really sure what i'm buying more GPU power FOR.
Sure new consoles will in time trickle down and push PC hardware, but I think that will be 12-18 months down the line. At that point an Ampere refresh will be out.

You can't 'win'. Pay to play comes to mind
 
The Die size tells the real story and it's a high end die size. And aren't you forgetting it's an RTX, not a GTX card?
It depends on the eyes that do the watching. I'm not forgetting anything, I'm just not so easily blinded by fancy names, half baked features and absurd price tags. A 104 chip is not, in my book, a high-end chip, that is reserved for the 102 and above. You are of course free to believe otherwise.

Internal die names do not always indicate the tier of the chip. Since Fermi there have been changes every generation. And if you do go by Nvidia's current standards, then the GA106 will not be low end cards. The chip will used in the mid to high end cards in the $350 to $550 price range. The GA116 would be the mainstream cards covering the $249 to $350 range.

Well, it seems to me that the difference in opinion between what you think and what I think is simply that you look at the price where I look at the die's available. Just because Nvidia likes to pull a 680 once in a while doesn't make it a proper high-end card in my opinion.
 
sell your card in the couple of weeks before hard launch of next series. I've never done it but am intrigued to try it this round. That said not really sure what i'm buying more GPU power FOR.
Sure new consoles will in time trickle down and push PC hardware, but I think that will be 12-18 months down the line. At that point an Ampere refresh will be out.

You can't 'win'. Pay to play comes to mind
This:I sold my Titan Pascals a day or two after 1080ti announcement and only lost £120 each which was lucky ( buyer hadn't seen 1080ti news but a couple had and tried to strongarm me into dropping price) but I'd wouldn't buy Titans again unless swimming in cash.
 
It depends on the eyes that do the watching. I'm not forgetting anything, I'm just not so easily blinded by fancy names, half baked features and absurd price tags. A 104 chip is not, in my book, a high-end chip, that is reserved for the 102 and above. You are of course free to believe otherwise.



Well, it seems to me that the difference in opinion between what you think and what I think is simply that you look at the price where I look at the die's available. Just because Nvidia likes to pull a 680 once in a while doesn't make it a proper high-end card in my opinion.

Wrong on both accounts. What you and I believe is irrelevant. I am giving you the facts.

Look at the die size of the Turing RTX cards and the Turing GTX cards. Then look at the die size of the Pascal GTX cards. You might actually gain some understanding.

In regards to Nvidia, for the most part, the larger die sizes are used in their higher end cards.

Just a question, but, surely you rated the GTX 1080 as high end? It definitely wasn't low or midrange.

For the second line of your post, No, I didn't just look at the price, you said and I quote

die names dictate the tier of the chip and a GA106 die by Nvidia's current standards dictates a lower-end chip.

That's wrong. The Die names don't dictate the Tier of the chip, Nvidia does. There have been changes to this in every generation since Fermi. There have been several times when the same chip is made from a couple of different dies.

And going by Nvidia's current Standards, which are the Turing line of cards, The 106 chip is been used for the higher end cards and the 116 die is been used for their lower end cards. So, if we use Nvidia's current standard, the GA106 will be a higher end card. And the GA116 will be used for the mainstream cards.

Do you understand that point? Nvidia's current standards. Because your comprehension failed you a little in reading my last post. I quoted the prices because those are the prices that the current 106 and 116 GPUs are listed in. If Nvidia follows their current standard, then the GA106 and GA116 GPUS will be in the same price range.
 
Can you please explain why "it will take years, if ever" to see any in-game implementation?

Because its a tech demo, it's showing off a scenario specifically designed to show off some effects, it's not representative of a real game so frame-rate isn't an issue for them as all the processing power is put into powering the demo. Games have much more going on than just some visual effects so the same processing power in a game vs a tech demo likely isn't present as other assets are also making use of it.
 
Because its a tech demo, it's showing off a scenario specifically designed to show off some effects, it's not representative of a real game so frame-rate isn't an issue for them as all the processing power is put into powering the demo. Games have much more going on than just some visual effects so the same processing power in a game vs a tech demo likely isn't present as other assets are also making use of it.
Of course it was a tech demo, you are stating the obvious. However if they have found a way to dramatically improve RT lighting then why would it take years to implement or why would it never appear? It was first announced 3 years ago so I doubt it is now so away from being able to be implemented, especially when Ampere with it's vastly increased RT prowess is released https://research.nvidia.com/publication/2017-07_Spatiotemporal-Variance-Guided-Filtering:
 
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