NVIDIA ‘Ampere’ 8nm Graphics Cards

Rroff · 5 Oct 2019 at 02:44

Panos said:
The article make assumptions and generalizations. While points the fab the A13 is made forgets to say where AMD products are made. (completely different fabs)

Also AMD is moving to 7nm EUV in the new year (different fab) in addition there are talks to use Samsung for some of the 7nm EUV products. (most likely the consoles).

Article makes a lot of assumptions but still supply constraint is likely going to be a bigger factor for AMD if it is at all than nVidia at 7nm.

Grim5 · 5 Oct 2019 at 03:05

4K8KW10 said:
Those ^^^ performance boosts only at comparable die sizes. Don't forget that all the Turing chips are gigantic, and Samsung won't be ready to produce a 754 sq.mm GA100 on the 7nm...

But that's assuming they are the saw architecture . It could be a totally new a new architecture where a smaller chip is ok, who knows. AMD just got 25% IPC boost from its half baked new architecture which allows them a nice performance boost even in a tiny chip that's smaller than their previous gen chips.

While I don't know if it's true or not - but the article says EUV is easier to manufacture (higher yields) than conventional 7nm - so bigger dies than what we've TSMC making could be tolerable

Rroff · 5 Oct 2019 at 03:12

Grim5 said:
But that's assuming they are the saw architecture . It could be a totally new a new architecture where a smaller chip is ok, who knows. AMD just got 25% IPC boost from its half baked new architecture which allows them a nice performance boost even in a tiny chip that's smaller than their previous gen chips.

While I don't know if it's true or not - but the article says EUV is easier to manufacture (higher yields) than conventional 7nm - so bigger dies than what we've TSMC making could be tolerable

Well it ain't just an evolution of Turing anyhow.

JediFragger · 5 Oct 2019 at 08:41

With Samsung's EUV process then these cards might be something a bit special. I'm hoping so!!

TNA · 5 Oct 2019 at 08:55

JediFragger said:
With Samsung's EUV process then these cards might be something a bit special. I'm hoping so!!

Here here

Perfect_Chaos · 5 Oct 2019 at 09:00

I think the 3070 will give performance comfortably ahead of the next gen PS5, I'll probably be looking at that being at 1440p. I'd say it's likely to be the better card for the money > performance based on previous cards, but we'll see. It's too bad they won't price the 80 and 80 Ti class cards more inline with what they did with the 980 series, that would make more people buy them.

3t3P · 5 Oct 2019 at 09:02

Not sure to pick up a black Friday 2080 super/Ti or wait for ampere to save our souls.

Dontrocktheboat · 5 Oct 2019 at 09:13

Ray tracing quake 3 at 45fps in 1080p for 1499£ here we come baby!! Bring on the 2020!!!

It will probably help with global warming too.

Mauller · 5 Oct 2019 at 09:22

People seem to be mistaken with the differences between Samsung 7nm and TSMC 7nm+.

Samsung 7nm is a full EUV node.

7nm+ is only EUV for 4 of the 14 layers, the 4 being part of the BEOL.

4K8KW10 · 5 Oct 2019 at 10:20

Dontrocktheboat said:
Ray tracing quake 3 at 45fps in 1080p for 1499£ here we come baby!! Bring on the 2020!!!

It will probably help with global warming too.

Don't worry. AMD's Navi promises to fix this injustice.

LoadsaMoney · 5 Oct 2019 at 10:33

Just finished off Exodus again, at Ultra Settings, with Ultra RT, @ UW 3440x1440, and it ran bloody great, much faster than my old Vega 64 ran it, on only High settings, no RT (obviously), so yes, these cards are utter **** at RT, can't run it at all

Panos · 5 Oct 2019 at 10:40

LoadsaMoney said:
Just finished off Exodus again, at Ultra Settings, with Ultra RT, @ UW 3440x1440, and it ran bloody great, much faster than my old Vega 64 ran it, on only High settings, no RT (obviously), so yes, these cards are utter **** at RT, can't run it at all

TonyTurbo78 · 5 Oct 2019 at 10:41

LoadsaMoney said:
https://wccftech.com/nvidia-next-generation-ampere-7nm-graphics-cards-landing-1h-2020/

Great, I can just see the tagline.

"This time, it really does work"

3t3P · 5 Oct 2019 at 10:45

LoadsaMoney said:
Just finished off Exodus again, at Ultra Settings, with Ultra RT, @ UW 3440x1440, and it ran bloody great, much faster than my old Vega 64 ran it, on only High settings, no RT (obviously), so yes, these cards are utter **** at RT, can't run it at all

What card?

2070s impressive what frames were you getting?

I forgot to turn phone sideways to see sigs

TheRealDeal · 5 Oct 2019 at 11:21

Perfect_Chaos said:
I think the 3070 will give performance comfortably ahead of the next gen PS5, I'll probably be looking at that being at 1440p. I'd say it's likely to be the better card for the money > performance based on previous cards, but we'll see. It's too bad they won't price the 80 and 80 Ti class cards more inline with what they did with the 980 series, that would make more people buy them.

Rumour has it that Sony is releasing the ps5 and the pro at the same time this gen, ps5 pro could be a proper beast but pricey I would assume.

Hopefully these Ampere chips move things along more than 20-30%. Looking to upgrade next year so RDNA 2 or Ampere will be my options.

TNA · 5 Oct 2019 at 11:51

TheRealDeal said:
Rumour has it that Sony is releasing the ps5 and the pro at the same time this gen, ps5 pro could be a proper beast but pricey I would assume.

Hopefully these Ampere chips move things along more than 20-30%. Looking to upgrade next year so RDNA 2 or Ampere will be my options.

One thing I do not like about consoles is they tend to only come with one year warranty. Imagine buying a pro which on launch will probably be £600 or something and it breaks a little after 12 months? Ouch.

If I do end up getting the PS5 Pro, I will enjoy it for like 10 months or so, then sell it. That should be enough time for me to get through the exclusives. Then 12 months later when there are more exclusives buy another. By then the price may come down to the price I sold the it for

Either that or look into getting some extended warranty on the cheap.

I am hoping Ampere will do more then 30% also and hopefully we will see 2080Ti performance or better drop to under £500 in the form of a 3070. Key word being hoping

Quartz · 5 Oct 2019 at 12:17

With no competition from AMD at the high end, Nvidia can easily slip the launch date.

JediFragger · 5 Oct 2019 at 12:25

TNA said:
I am hoping Ampere will do more then 30% also and hopefully we will see 2080Ti performance or better drop to under £500 in the form of a 3070. Key word being hoping

2080Ti seems to be bottlenecked to **** on anything less than 4k, I can imagine it should be within touching distance if it's a decent boost (upto 1440p/UW at least).

Wrinkly · 5 Oct 2019 at 12:40

LoadsaMoney said:
Just finished off Exodus again, at Ultra Settings, with Ultra RT, @ UW 3440x1440, and it ran bloody great, much faster than my old Vega 64 ran it, on only High settings, no RT (obviously), so yes, these cards are utter **** at RT, can't run it at all

Doesn't Metro Exodus just use RT for global illumination? I tried it on my 1080Ti where I found some areas looked better and some worse. But in general you would still need an RTX ON logo in the corner to remind you it was on.

opethdisciple · 5 Oct 2019 at 12:59

JediFragger said:
2080Ti seems to be bottlenecked to **** on anything less than 4k, I can imagine it should be within touching distance if it's a decent boost (upto 1440p/UW at least).

At traditional rasterization.

But even a 2080ti with RT on isn't the experience we expect from a 1k card.