NVIDIA ‘Ampere’ 8nm Graphics Cards

opethdisciple · 5 Oct 2019 at 13:03

You know whose gonna pop up soon with 'credible' information?

"Alright guys, how's it going?".

willhub · 5 Oct 2019 at 14:26

Que everyone moaning that RTX isn't ON at 4K 144Hz.

Panos · 5 Oct 2019 at 15:22

willhub said:
Que everyone moaning that RTX isn't ON at 4K 144Hz.

Gerard · 5 Oct 2019 at 15:45

And how much are these gonna cost? Probably have to flog a left nut ffs.

haszek · 5 Oct 2019 at 15:53

So, 30th June release with 5 cards per store through the summer

Gerard · 5 Oct 2019 at 16:02

haszek said:
So, 30th June release with 5 cards per store through the summer

These ones might ship with millipede as standard.

BigBANGtheory · 5 Oct 2019 at 16:54

comparisons are tricky atm due to the grossly over priced 2080Ti, for a 30% gain I'd still want to see a much lower price for the new sku OR much higher perf across the board if they want me to part with 1k. Not gonna play this 70% markup game Nvidia are playing

3t3P · 5 Oct 2019 at 17:17

A little over £800 in the US for a base spec 2080Ti. I'd pay that here I suppose but reluctantly as I'd need to add a block to it too.

HRL · 5 Oct 2019 at 17:35

BigBANGtheory said:
comparisons are tricky atm due to the grossly over priced 2080Ti, for a 30% gain I'd still want to see a much lower price for the new sku OR much higher perf across the board if they want me to part with 1k. Not gonna play this 70% markup game Nvidia are playing

If the new Ti is only 30% better I won’t bother.

If it’s a bigger improvement, 50% or more, I’ll bite and give my kids my 2080Ti and a nice new UW monitor.

Dependent on price though I suppose.

ANDREW GREEN · 5 Oct 2019 at 17:37

opethdisciple said:
You know whose gonna pop up soon with 'credible' information?

"Alright guys, how's it going?".

You spelt 'alreet' wrong

Panos · 5 Oct 2019 at 18:03

Gerard said:
And how much are these gonna cost? Probably have to flog a left nut ffs.

Thats why I will stick to the 5700XT AE

I am not organ donor for Jensen, even if thats a tiny piece of skin to make a new leather jacket

Grim5 · 5 Oct 2019 at 18:34

Wrinkly said:
Doesn't Metro Exodus just use RT for global illumination? I tried it on my 1080Ti where I found some areas looked better and some worse. But in general you would still need an RTX ON logo in the corner to remind you it was on.

depends on the scene

turn rayvtracing on while in the train = mind blowing it looks like a totally different game.

also the better and worse comment is funny. It's something I've brought up before - ray tracing makes game look more realistic but it seems a lot of people don't want realism, now that it's here they don't like it anymore and prefer the stylised older game design approaches.

Grim5 · 5 Oct 2019 at 18:41

JediFragger said:
2080Ti seems to be bottlenecked to **** on anything less than 4k, I can imagine it should be within touching distance if it's a decent boost (upto 1440p/UW at least).

It does seem most game transfer to a cpu bottleneck once framerates hit around 120fps or more. And more isn't always better - for the smoothest gaming experience you want a balance between the cpu and gpu - if either bottleneck you get stutters. So it's importAnt to keep expectations realistic as gpus have far outpaced cpus - anything approaching or faster than the 2080ti is best for a 4K screen or bigger.

4K8KW10 · 5 Oct 2019 at 18:48

Grim5 said:
It does seem most game transfer to a cpu bottleneck once framerates hit around 120fps or more. And more isn't always better - for the smoothest gaming experience you want a balance between the cpu and gpu - if either bottleneck you get stutters. So it's importAnt to keep expectations realistic as gpus have far outpaced cpus - anything approaching or faster than the 2080ti is best for a 4K screen or bigger.

Err? Stutters appear when the CPU is overloaded or when the memory subsystems transfer/load textures......

Wrinkly · 5 Oct 2019 at 19:47

Grim5 said:
depends on the scene

turn rayvtracing on while in the train = mind blowing it looks like a totally different game.

also the better and worse comment is funny. It's something I've brought up before - ray tracing makes game look more realistic but it seems a lot of people don't want realism, now that it's here they don't like it anymore and prefer the stylised older game design approaches.

Just out of interest, how long did you spend in the train?

With or without RTX, it doesn't look realistic to me at any point, even in the train. Remember, these cards are not able to provide full scene RT.

opethdisciple · 6 Oct 2019 at 00:07

2020 should be a hot year for GPU's especially if Intel launch a discrete card also.

Kaapstad · 6 Oct 2019 at 06:37

People are getting their hopes up to high for the next gen cards.

Conventional performance will be impressive as it is with a 2080 Ti but Ray Tracing will still be very poor.

If RTX Titans in SLI can not do it well now there is no way any new single card will with less performance.

And the price of the top end new cards will be painful if they have dies the same size as Turing but on 7nm to get the extra performance. :eek:

Ampere is going to be very controversial if NVidia stick with Ray Tracing and also want a performance bump over Turing.

Anyone who wants Ampere should start saving now for an experience which is going to be a little disappointing.

4K8KW10 · 6 Oct 2019 at 08:09

Kaapstad said:
People are getting their hopes up to high for the next gen cards.

Conventional performance will be impressive as it is with a 2080 Ti but Ray Tracing will still be very poor.

If RTX Titans in SLI can not do it well now there is no way any new single card will with less performance.

And the price of the top end new cards will be painful if they have dies the same size as Turing but on 7nm to get the extra performance.

Ampere is going to be very controversial if NVidia stick with Ray Tracing and also want a performance bump over Turing.

Anyone who wants Ampere should start saving now for an experience which is going to be a little disappointing.

Isn't RT subject to improvements like Tesselation has been so far?
They could put more and better RT cores and the ray-tracing performance would dramatically improve?

3t3P · 6 Oct 2019 at 08:24

I think also by the time Ampere settles, reviews are out , all models have been released AND available to buy you're basically looking at a year from now pretty much.

So this breaks my 'wait if it's three months or less away' rule.

I've got the upgrade itch and am looking to scratch it this year's black Friday.
2080Ti is what I want, a 2080S is the minimum I need.

Kaapstad · 6 Oct 2019 at 08:25

4K8KW10 said:
Isn't RT subject to improvements like Tesselation has been so far?
They could put more and better RT cores and the ray-tracing performance would dramatically improve?

They don't have nowhere near enough hardware even using RTX Titans in SLI to run a full implementation of Ray Tracing at acceptable fps using 2160p. Any new single Ampere card won't be able to match a pair of RTX Titans in SLI unless there is more than 100% performance increase moving from Turing to Ampere.

I am sure there will be people who won't like what I am saying but to be honest acceptable Ray Tracing is still a couple of GPU generations away.

I am sure there will be more RT cores on Ampere but it still won't be enough.