NVIDIA ‘Ampere’ 8nm Graphics Cards

[bru]

The point of my posts on the subject is that we are in a time in which we are getting new consoles at the same time we are getting new video cards.

You probably don't realize that the same thing happened last time, late 2013 both the xbox one and playstation 4 launched, along with the most of the NVidia 700 series and the AMD 200 series.

At the time of launch the Paystaion 4 was just under the performance of the R9 270 the 5th tier card from AMD (R9 290x, R9 290, R9 280x, R9 270x, R9 270).

Only time will tell what cards AMD will release this year and where the Playstation 5 will actually perform.

 

[McGraw]

Who cares about consoles? Just post ampere rumours or discuss them. Consoles are irrelevant. Let the thread die if there is no news.

 

[tyler_jrb]

Current PC players with mid level hardware have better performance than the current consoles. I am guessing that is the reason they have gaming PC's rather than consoles. That will cease to be the case come the end of the year and they will potentially have to spend way more than the consoles cost to regain the "my PC is faster than a console" badge. It is going to be a very tough sell for many of those people (myself included) to spend way more than a console in order to be a little bit faster than one

Not necessarily. It’s likely even now the XSX/PS5 will have around 2070S levels of performance.

Next gen a 3070 will likely be faster than a 2080Ti. Considering the jump to 7nm that could well be a big jump.

So it’s almost a given for something like a 3060 to best or match both consoles.

Now anyone expecting these to be £500 or less machines is deluded. Considering the cost of these to produce, significantly more than last gen. I’m still fully expecting £6-700, and then you have less than 1TB of expensive storage.

 

[VincentHanna]

Now anyone expecting these to be £500 or less machines is deluded. Considering the cost of these to produce, significantly more than last gen.

Rumored pricing for PS5 is £400 with no disc drive and £500 with UHD Drive.

 

[Jimmy Weirdarms]

So breaking news - https://www.facebook.com/CyberpunkGame/ - has been put back to November.

Possible associated Ampere delays?

 

[TheRealDeal]

More likely it's to release in line with next gen consoles but maybe as they say it just needs more work done to be a proper release worthy game.

 

[Poneros]

That's one less decision to make (waiting). Just need to know gpu price & performance now.

 

[LoadsaMoney]

lol

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

How much faster at 4k though?

Probably around 50% IIRC at 4K,but I am giving AMD/Nvidia a lesser target,as I assume the mainstream GPUs won't have as much memory bandwidth. If the next mainstream cards can't match it at least at 1080p,then what is the point?? The console GPUs are probably quicker than the RX5700XT,so probably around RTX2070 Super to RTX2080 Super level.

I agree, it also needs to be priced correctly. If I'm a 3600, 16GB RAM, 1080p gamer I'd say £250-£350 is reasonable for a GPU. More than that I'm thinking PS5. At that price they need to bring around 2080 speeds and console equivalent ray tracing to sell well. No idea if that's possible but it's more likely now than it has been for some time.

RE: your slide: this gaggle of GTX 1080TI's

GTX 1080TI: £650.

2070: £400
5700XT: £400
Vega VII: £650... what even was that?
2070 Super: £500

That's a little bunch of 1080TI's now £400 to £500 so there has been some good movement on price to be fair but the 2080TI at 30 to 35% faster than all of those at £1200?

3X the price nets me another 30%! Idiotic...

The performance improvements have been pushed to the top of the stack,so it means mainstream which is more budget dependent is getting lower performance improvements.

Even my expectation of 40% to 50% more isn't a huge amount,especially if you go closer to £400,with a RX5700XT you already split the difference as shown by your chart.

A £250~£350 GPU should have solid performance at 1080p and 1440p as monitors at those resolutions are not expensive now. If they are not,then the huge £150~£250 market will also a bit crap too.

 

[lovelyhead]

Some good points and I get where you are coming from. I don't doubt that some PC users will migrate to PS5, but I would bet that a lot of PC users will end up having both due to the difference in use cases. I know of very few PC players that want play an FPS or strategy game without a mouse and keyboard and in this regard PC is king with a wealth of content to choose form. You say strategy games aren't mainstream but I would diisagree with this... there is a huge market with lots of big games released in the last few years and lots more coming in 2021. The modding scene for many games is also huge and beautiful and even if you take all of these different niche genres and games and add them all together you get a huge amount of users.

I guess my takeaway point is that consoles are not going to cause the demise of the PC for the forseeable future. They both have their place and they both have enough users to support the respective industries. PC gaming is only getting bigger, esports is becoming an actual sport, and in many respects a PC has no replacement as it is so versatile. I can do everything on one machine and that is hard to compete with... the price being the 3-5 yearly upgrades on average. However, the CPU/mobo need upgrading less frequently than the GPU.

It's not going to be so bad and we are all going to benefit from amazing hardware and amazing games in 2021 no matter wich platform we are on.

I agree with a lot of your points. I think what many people are going to end up doing is leaving their PC's as they are and buy the new consoles instead of upgrading (assuming nVidia continue taking the mickey). They will still be able to play all of their e-Sports games and strategy games just fine without the upgrade and the AAA games can be played on the console.

This forum won't like it but consoles will be king for the next few years outside of the ultra enthusiast market until components become cheap enough for an upgrade to make sense.

 

[humbug]

Probably around 50% IIRC at 4K,but I am giving AMD/Nvidia a lesser target,as I assume the mainstream GPUs won't have as much memory bandwidth. If the next mainstream cards can't match it at least at 1080p,then what is the point?? The console GPUs are probably quicker than the RX5700XT,so probably around RTX2070 Super to RTX2080 Super level.





The performance improvements have been pushed to the top of the stack,so it means mainstream which is more budget dependent is getting lower performance improvements.

Even my expectation of 40% to 50% more isn't a huge amount,especially if you go closer to £400,with a RX5700XT you already split the difference as shown by your chart.

A £250~£350 GPU should have solid performance at 1080p and 1440p as monitors at those resolutions are not expensive now. If they are not,then the huge £150~£250 market will also a bit crap too.

Agreed... its really not, normalize that chart.

RX 5700 XT: 120%
GTX 1080TI: 121%
RTX 2080TI: 160%

120 + 33% = 160.

2070: 100%
5700XT: 105%
1080TI: 105%
2070S: 110%
2080TI: 140%

So the 2080TI is 33% faster than its predecessor, not a huge jump in performance is it? Its £1200, 5700XT as the current gen performance alternative to the GTX 1080TI is £400, again for Three times the money i get a third more performance, i get 150 FPS you get 200.

Why? that's insane.

 

[Doobedoo]

I agree with a lot of your points. I think what many people are going to end up doing is leaving their PC's as they are and buy the new consoles instead of upgrading (assuming nVidia continue taking the mickey). They will still be able to play all of their e-Sports games and strategy games just fine without the upgrade and the AAA games can be played on the console.

This forum won't like it but consoles will be king for the next few years outside of the ultra enthusiast market until components become cheap enough for an upgrade to make sense.

This is probably the direction I am going to take. I really want to upgrade my gpu but I'm starting to doubt whether It's going to be worth It. I just can't bring myself to spend £500 on a mid tier graphics card when I can spend that on a PS5 and be done with it.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Agreed... its really not, normalize that chart.

RX 5700 XT: 120%
GTX 1080TI: 121%
RTX 2080TI: 160%

120 + 33% = 160.

2070: 100%
5700XT: 105%
1080TI: 105%
2070S: 110%
2080TI: 140%

So the 2080TI is 33% faster than its predecessor, not a huge jump in performance is it? Its £1200, 5700XT as the current gen performance alternative to the GTX 1080TI is £400, again for Three times the money i get a third more performance, i get 150 FPS you get 200.

Why? that's insane.

This is why its should be easy for both companies to have midrange GPUs which get close to the previous high end ones. This is what it used to be like. If they can't even both do that this generation,it's going to be another wait for the next generation.

They are doing what Intel was doing with CPUs,just segmenting performance.

 

[Mensy]

I agree with a lot of your points. I think what many people are going to end up doing is leaving their PC's as they are and buy the new consoles instead of upgrading (assuming nVidia continue taking the mickey). They will still be able to play all of their e-Sports games and strategy games just fine without the upgrade and the AAA games can be played on the console.

This forum won't like it but consoles will be king for the next few years outside of the ultra enthusiast market until components become cheap enough for an upgrade to make sense.

I also agree, i have a 1070 and looking to upgrade it but it all depends on cost and performance, if the £500 rumour for the PS5 is real then il just keep my 1070 for all the backlog games i have and the PS5 for future releases. I do want a new GPU but it all depends on cost and performance versus the power of the PS5. I game in my living room with my PC on a 4k Oled at 1080p/1440p(if my 1070can handle it) @60fps. i will be looking for 4K @60fps on most games on my next gpu upgrade but im not willing to pay 2080TI money to get that performance

 

[Perfect_Chaos]

Most mid-range gamers are playing at 1080p or 1440p (I think 1440p still marks the sweet spot even for high-end gaming if you want longevity out of your components) and an RTX 2060 SUper can currently run those resolutions on almost all games at Ultra and a decent CPU. When the 3060 hits, I think its reasonable to expect that it will be a 1080p/1440p performance champ

I would be getting a 3070 or 3080 being at 1440p as I'd want above 60fps, around 90fps or more is fine by me and no doubt that's what would be needed for demanding games. Consoles not going to give me that or mouse and keyboard

 

[Richdog]

I would be getting a 3070 or 3080 being at 1440p as I'd want above 60fps, around 90fps or more is fine by me and no doubt that's what would be needed for demanding games. Consoles not going to give me that or mouse and keyboard

A 3070 will likely be great for your needs. I guess it also depends on the game you are running... I found that most of my games ran fine on my GTX 1070m at 1440p so even a 2070 would be a huge upgrade over that and a 3070/3080 would be in another league! I am looking forward to buying one for my "in progress" new Ryzen Zen2/3 build (will start with a 3600 now then pop in a Zen3 next year). Good times are ahead.

 

[Stu999]

So breaking news - https://www.facebook.com/CyberpunkGame/ - has been put back to November.

Possible associated Ampere delays?

Fiddlesticks!! Didn’t they say a few months ago it definitely wouldn’t be delayed further? It’s going to be so polished I can see my face in it.

 

[Troezar]

Ok so assuming most people here are buying A30 series card which one? Make and model? If I was to buy one, going by previous experience it would be a 3080 MSI Gaming X.

 

[Jacky60]

I agree with a lot of your points. I think what many people are going to end up doing is leaving their PC's as they are and buy the new consoles instead of upgrading (assuming nVidia continue taking the mickey). They will still be able to play all of their e-Sports games and strategy games just fine without the upgrade and the AAA games can be played on the console.

This forum won't like it but consoles will be king for the next few years outside of the ultra enthusiast market until components become cheap enough for an upgrade to make sense.

I think you're right, coming from 1080ti SLI I could spend £1000+ on a new GPU to get marginally better performance or hopefully much better performance or I could get a nice beefy console AND a new 4K tv for the living room. TBH I really like my SONY Bravia 50inch which is only 1080p so the new consoles would easily be able to give me a fab experience and something extra rather than incremental improvements in image quality and fps. If the value isn't there I'm simply not buying. Nvidia can only take the pi$$ for so long before I take a break.

 

[opethdisciple]

Ok so assuming most people here are buying A30 series card which one? Make and model? If I was to buy one, going by previous experience it would be a 3080 MSI Gaming X.

I've always tended to go for a Gigabyte, but I'm by no means brand loyal. Will go based on reviews and price.

Most likely a 3080 tho.