NVIDIA ‘Ampere’ 8nm Graphics Cards

[Richdog]

This is a completely different argument though.

I'm just simply talking about the overall tech disparity (if you can afford it and want to stay ahead of the curve).

LOL... the rest of us were not talking about the 1% who can afford a 3090 and which does not reflect mainstream usage, we were talking about vs the average PC specs (people even said it multiple times). You basically just ignored that and twisted it to suit your own argument.

The PS5 is not going to look "very weak" compared to PC's on average in 1-2 years, that is an exaggeration and a logical fallacy from any reasonable perspective.

 

[LoadsaMoney]

Rumoured Specs.

https://videocardz.com/newz/rumored-geforce-rtx-3090-and-rtx-3080-specifcations-emerge

 

[Chuk_Chuk]

Rumoured Specs.

https://videocardz.com/newz/rumored-geforce-rtx-3090-and-rtx-3080-specifcations-emerge

Not pleased with the amound of VRAM TBH and doesn't bode well for the lower end cards. Hopefully AMD offer more.

 

[Jono8]

LOL... the rest of us were not talking about the 1% who can afford a 3090 and which does not reflect mainstream usage, we were talking about vs the average PC specs (people even said it multiple times). You basically just ignored that and twisted it to suit your own argument.

The PS5 is not going to look "very weak" compared to PC's on average in 1-2 years, that is an exaggeration and a logical fallacy from any reasonable perspective.

Well you seem to be arguing a different point to me entirely.

Consoles have never looked weak compared to an "average" PC. That isnt even an argument worth having.

The "average" PC is rubbish. I assumed we were talking about gaming PCs seen as this is the graphics card forum on overclockers

I will say it again. Just like in 2013, the top tier gpu will be ~ double the tflop output of the new consoles and that gap will only get bigger and bigger.

The new consoles will be very weak in comparison to a new top tier gaming PC in 2022 with ryzen 5000, ddr5 ram and an rtx 4000/rtx5000. That is just a fact of life and its going to happen whether you like it or not .

 

[Grim5]

Not pleased with the amound of VRAM TBH and doesn't bode well for the lower end cards. Hopefully AMD offer more.

just get the Titan.

but rumour has it Nvidia is working on being able to repurpose tensor cores as a fixed function file decompressor/compressor, thus giving it more life as if it has more vram than it actually does, just as next gen consoles do

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Rumoured Specs.

https://videocardz.com/newz/rumored-geforce-rtx-3090-and-rtx-3080-specifcations-emerge

So RTX3080~RTX2080TI or a bit quicker,so RTX3070~RTX2080/RTX2080 Super unless there is a big uarch improvement?? What is the RTX3060 going to be like then?

Well you seem to be arguing a different point to me entirely.

Consoles have never looked weak compared to an "average" PC. That isnt even an argument worth having.

The "average" PC is rubbish. I assumed we were talking about gaming PCs seen as this is the graphics card forum on overclockers

I will say it again. Just like in 2013, the top tier gpu will be ~ double the tflop output of the new consoles and that gap will only get bigger and bigger.

The new consoles will be very weak in comparison to a top tier gaming PC in 2022. That is just a fact of life.

The average PC is rubbish due to GPUs being overpriced,and entry level and mainstream GPUs not getting the performance jumps due to this. Compare this to 10 years ago,where the mainstream GPUs of a new generation nearly matched the high end GPUs of the previous generations. The last time we had that with Nvidia was the GTX970 IIRC.

Consoles are not a top tier price - how will it compare to a more mainstream system like most of my mates have??

The fact is most PC games,are made with consoles and mainstream gaming PCs in mind. If it's another generation with a mediocre 60 series card or the AMD equivalent,games won't be determined by the minority of enthusiasts who are on forums. The silent majority make up most gamers. If you take away MMOs and Twitch Shooters,that is a significant amount of PC gaming revenue gone.

If you want graphics to truely go forward,the majority need GPUs which can do this. Ever thought why when Crysis launched we had the 8800GT and HD3850 which redefined entry level and mainstream GPU performance?

 

[Jono8]

So RTX3080~RTX2080TI or a bit quicker,so RTX3070~RTX2080/RTX2080 Super unless there is a big uarch improvement?? What is the RTX3060 going to be like then?



The average PC is rubbish due to GPUs being overpriced,and entry level and mainstream GPUs not getting the performance jumps due to this. Compare this to 10 years ago,where the mainstream GPUs of a new generation nearly matched the high end GPUs of the previous generations. The last time we had that with Nvidia was the GTX970 IIRC.

Consoles are not a top tier price - how will it compare to a more mainstream system like what I have or my mates have??

The fact is most PC games,are made with consoles and mainstream gaming PCs in mind. If it's another generation with a mediocre 60 series card or the AMD generation,games won't be determine by the minority of enthusiasts who are on forums.

I know. I have said as much.

The performance disparity is still there though and will always be. You just have to pay more for the best .

I had people on here arguing that the ps4 was much weaker on release compared to graphics cards at the time.

The reality ofcourse is that it had around the same tflops as a 760 and the top cards were about double + the tflops output.

Almost the exact same scenario will happen later this year. No doubt the 3060 and 3070 will be in the 10-14 tflop range putting them at the same level or above as the consoles. Its just unfortunately the gpus do cost more (which I'm not arguing is not the case) . Gpus just cost more now.

But then from certain leaks it looks likely the ps5 will be about £100 more than the ps4 on release so everything goes up!

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

I know. I have said as much.

The performance disparity is still there though and will always be. You just have to pay more for the best .

It's getting worse for entry level and mainstream PC gamers though. This is what is holding back PC gaming too,and why so few titles are PC exclusives nowadays. People can moan about consoles holding back PC gaming,but I would argue it's the price escalation in GPU prices,which is being partially masked by drops in CPU,RAM and SSD pricing.The same goes with CPUs,until we get to 5NM,it's most likely we will be stuck at 6 cores for mainstream CPUs. So even the 8 core CPUs in the consoles(especially since they will made to utilise them),won't be far off what the processing power of a reasonably modern mainstream gaming PC.

Unless we have a mainstream GPU at £250~ £350 which can target RTX2080~ RTX2080 Super performance at 1080p,from either AMD or Nvidia,then it's another mediocre generation. An RTX2080 Super at 1080p is only 40% faster on average than a RX5600XT/RTX2060 which could had for as low as £260.

 

[Jono8]

It's getting worse for entry level and mainstream PC gamers though. This is what is holding back PC gaming too,and why so few titles are PC exclusives nowadays. People can moan about consoles holding back PC gaming,but I would argue it's the price escalation in GPU prices,which is being partially masked by drops in CPU,RAM and SSD pricing.The same goes with CPUs,until we get to 5NM,it's most likely we will be stuck at 6 cores for mainstream CPUs. So even the 8 core CPUs in the consoles(especially since they will made to utilise them),won't be far off what the processing power of a reasonably modern mainstream gaming PC.

Unless we have a mainstream GPU at £250~ £350 which can target RTX2080~ RTX2080 Super performance at 1080p,from either AMD or Nvidia,then it's another mediocre generation. An RTX2080 Super at 1080p is only 40% faster on average than a RX5600XT/RTX2060 which could had for as low as £260.

I agree. Nvidia have taken the pee. However I fully expected them to whilst they had no real competition from AMD. I really hope AMD can develop something that combats Nvidias top end otherwise we are likely never going to see any price competition and an overall drop across the range.

AMD just keep delivering low to mid range cards priced similarly or a bit below nvidias counterparts and that doesnt really seem to be forcing nvidias hand price wise.

 

[K1LaW8tt5]

Well you seem to be arguing a different point to me entirely.

Consoles have never looked weak compared to an "average" PC. That isnt even an argument worth having.

The "average" PC is rubbish. I assumed we were talking about gaming PCs seen as this is the graphics card forum on overclockers

I will say it again. Just like in 2013, the top tier gpu will be ~ double the tflop output of the new consoles and that gap will only get bigger and bigger.

The new consoles will be very weak in comparison to a new top tier gaming PC in 2022 with ryzen 5000, ddr5 ram and an rtx 4000/rtx5000. That is just a fact of life and its going to happen whether you like it or not .

It's overclockers though not overspenders. Just saying.

 

[Joxeon]

What is the RTX3060 going to be like then?

I'm going to predict +5% more perf than a RTX2070 super for £450.

 

[Jono8]

I'm going to predict +5% more perf than a RTX2070 super for £450.

I do hope its cheaper than that! Otherwise that means yet another full tier jump in price.

 

[TNA]

Not pleased with the amound of VRAM TBH and doesn't bode well for the lower end cards. Hopefully AMD offer more.

Yeah, not happy about that at all. Honestly if they come out with that and a silly price tag to boot, I may go against what I said and get a PS5 day one and play the handful of games I want on there on my OLED TV. Can just grab something like a 2070S cheap on members market at some point which will run all my current steam library just fine and be done with it.

The minimum RAM on the 3070/80 needs to be 12GB ffs. By the time these cards are out it will be nearly 2021, what are they playing at!

 

[Richdog]

It's overclockers though not overspenders. Just saying.

Yes, exactly. Going by the average UK salaries it should be obvious that the average person on this forum very likely cannot afford a 2080 Ti or 3090. It's a bit off to assume or even imply that this is a forum or even a thread for the tiny percentage of people that can, and that "average mainstream" cards don't warrant as much discussion and attention as the bleeding-edge products, considering that is what most people will be using.

 

[LoadsaMoney]

So RTX3080~RTX2080TI or a bit quicker,so RTX3070~RTX2080/RTX2080 Super unless there is a big uarch improvement?? What is the RTX3060 going to be like then?

Quite a bit quicker with RT on though, if the rumoured 4x performance increase is correct

 

[lovelyhead]

I'm going to predict +5% more perf than a RTX2070 super for £450.

Then you would have to be crazy to buy that vs just getting the more powerful, better value for money console.

 

[TNA]

Then you would have to be crazy to buy that vs just getting the more powerful, better value for money console.

Yeah, that is one crap prediction. Lol. If it turns out to be true, Nvidia have lost the plot completely.

That performance needs to be much cheaper.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

I agree. Nvidia have taken the pee. However I fully expected them to whilst they had no real competition from AMD. I really hope AMD can develop something that combats Nvidias top end otherwise we are likely never going to see any price competition and an overall drop across the range.

AMD just keep delivering low to mid range cards priced similarly or a bit below nvidias counterparts and that doesnt really seem to be forcing nvidias hand price wise.

Both of them are comfortable with the status quo,so in the end I just hope the consoles concern themselves enough to actually bother for once.

I'm going to predict +5% more perf than a RTX2070 super for £450.

But moar RTX though!!

Quite a bit quicker with RT on though, if the rumoured 4x performance increase is correct

Yes,with DLSS3.0,where you can upscale from 240p,and as long as you don't stare at the image it's "better than native*".



*native with FXAA and the screen smeared in vaseline.

 

[TNA]

Yes,with DLSS3.0,where you can upscale from 240p,and as long as you don't stare at the image it's "better than native*".



*native with FXAA and the screen smeared in vaseline.

Hahahaha.

 

[LoadsaMoney]

Both of them are comfortable with the status quo,so in the end I just hope the consoles concern themselves enough to actually bother for once.



But moar RTX though!!


Yes,with DLSS3.0,where you can upscale from 240p,and as long as you don't stare at the image it's "better than native*".



*native with FXAA and the screen smeared in vaseline.