I think a lot of people are hoping that. Sadly most will just buy cheaper Nvidia products rather than supporting the competition. It's always someone else's responsibility to take action, we're own own worst enemies
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I think a lot of people are hoping that. Sadly most will just buy cheaper Nvidia products rather than supporting the competition. It's always someone else's responsibility to take action, we're own own worst enemies
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It will be different for many reasons. First of all the top AMD gpu at the time was a 290x which has 3 x the tflops at 5.6 compared to the ps4 and nearly 5 times that of the xbox one. The cpu's inside those console's were outdated in the pc space never mind when they ran at half there usual speed in those consoles. Lets not even speak about the hard drives which for back then were also terrible. The main difference this time around is the ps5 and new series x are really well balanced with no real weaknesses. PC hardware will no doubt be in front but as an overall package no where near as much as back at the ps4 release. All of what i have said will lead to a much closer experience to the PC this time around compared to last. The last Gen of consoles was by far the worst in history console v pc wise.
760 was bad value just like the 960, I bought a 7950 in 2013 for £215 which craps on the 8th gen consoles.
I also clearly remember the 750ti outperforming those consoles, mostly due to its horrible CPU limiting it badly in games like AC unity.
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If you want lower prices, just stop buying the *****, its not rocket science. 
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I agree with the point you made before the edit, which was basically:If you want lower prices, just stop buying the *****, its not rocket science.
'It makes me laugh, people say that the price is bad because of a lack of competition, then when the competition arrives it charges the same bloody price'.
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Agree prices are not high just because there is no competition, they are high because AMD and Nvidia know people will just pay more now. So just stop buying overpriced tech! and the prices will settle back.
Agreed, I've had 11-12gb of VRAM for three years, and want more next time. VRAM limitations often mean you have to stop using a card prematurely 295x2, 6990 and Fury X suffered from this parsimony.
Oh you want to bring AMD tflop comparisons into it do you? I was being kind to the new consoles with nvidia comparisons as nvidia have always managed to get more gaming performance per tflop. Vega 64 was 12tflops. That is 3 years old. So the xbox x series will have a gpu equivalent to a 3 year old pc gpu.....
It won't be different. The same gets said for every console generation, and within a few years it's naff and comparably slow. The same will happen this time.
Microsoft and Sony aren't treating us to a super powerful machine for peanuts. They are building something to be as cost effective as possible and there will be shortcuts here and there and it will be obsolete quicker than you think.
I'm not saying for a moment that consoles are bad or not good value, I'm just trying to highlight the reality that they are built as cheaply as possible to remain affordable to the masses and they never stand the test of time as technology progresses. This generation will be no different.
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Lol!!Both of them are comfortable with the status quo,so in the end I just hope the consoles concern themselves enough to actually bother for once.
But moar RTX though!!
Yes,with DLSS3.0,where you can upscale from 240p,and as long as you don't stare at the image it's "better than native*".
*native with FXAA and the screen smeared in vaseline.
Very true +1! This time consoles are going to kick 90% of current PC's asses!Hey Jono, I agree on the disparity of performance, when the 3090ti launches i expect that we shall see a large gap again, the question for Nvidia is whether that gap justifies the price.
In 2013 it certainly did, at least for me because the 2013 generation of consoles were, in my opinion, pretty dire.
The things to keep in mind as to why in 2020 Nvidia may be significantly impacted by the console launches, even though their performance will excel.
The resolutions of the monitors/TVs are not increasing at the rate that the console CPU/GPU power is. The 1080p/60fps/HDR/VRR/VR gamer is still here, present and in big numbers. 4k is not the killer feature it is marketed as.
This is the first time in 20 years in console history, that the CPU of the Console is equal to the latest Desktop
The is the first time in console history that the disk drive performance inside the console will exceed the latest Desktop, until PCI4.0 NVME becomes standard
This is the first time in console history that the RAM capacity will equal a higher-end Desktop.
The CPU Cores inside the 2013 XBox One ran at 1.75Ghz, GPU cores of some board members here were running at near that speed
What people also need to consider is, if 20 million people buy these consoles (its gonna be more of course) then thats 20 million people with a gpu better then the Nvidia 1060/2060 and you damn well know there is not 20 million people with a 2060.
Actually scrap that, just look at this
https://www.vgchartz.com/article/442352/switch-vs-ps4-vs-xbox-one-global-lifetime-salesjanuary-2020/#:~:text=The PS4 has sold 106.99,the Xbox One 23 percent.
You know damn well there is not 100 million people with a Nvidia 2060 or over (yes over the lifetime of the console but it shows what these consoles can sell upto)
What's changed? What needs to be considered?
Do you think masses of people also owned cards quicker than the gtx 660/670 in 2013 as well?
As they did in 2013.
Whats changed is the fact that the GPU in these consoles are more powerful then the most popular gpu currently stated on steam.
This was never the case in the very long time where the console power exceeded the most common gaming setup used.
Citation needed.
https://www.techquila.co.in/steam-hardware-review-gpu/
Oh i found it
The most popular in 2013 was.......
Intel hd3000/4000.
Lol
To the GPU being used?
https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/...s-and-tech-that-deliver-sonys-next-gen-vision
The important take away from this, the GPU is the RDNA 2 - 36 CUs
The RX 5700 XT is 40 CU
Benchmarks show the RX5700 XT benching faster then the Nvidia 1060+2060
A newer GPU will take that further.
most common gaming setup used - from my post
When it is stated that the XSX GPU is around the 2080, it is not based on Tflops it is based on a GoW 5 port that was made in a week. When digital foundry had an interview with the devs, they mentioned that it was comparable to a 2080 in performance.