Your point was based on the steam survey.
I dont undertanad your point. Are you saying the majority of pc gamers on steamn in 2013 had 670's, 680's 770's and 780's etc
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Your point was based on the steam survey.
I dont undertanad your point. Are you saying the majority of pc gamers on steamn in 2013 had 670's, 680's 770's and 780's etc
I'm sure that is the case.
But in a few months 2080 performance will be ~3060 performance.
Which is my entire point. In 2013 the gpu in the consoles was around 760 / 7950 performance.
The gpu was a mid range gpu equivalent in 2013 and the same will be true when this years consoles come out.
Your point was based on the steam survey.
I dont undertanad your point. Are you saying the majority of pc gamers on steamn in 2013 had 770's and 780's
And I said common gaming set ups, the highest % GPU owned used in gaming PCs.
Intel has always owned the most common GPU yes, overall, are they considered gaming GPUs? no, did I state gaming set ups, yes.
Were Nvidia 970, 1060 and 2060 the most popular GPUs in their gen being used, the 970 and 1060 sure were, are these gpus better then the PS4 and XBone - yes, even the 970 is still more powerful then the GPUs run in them now.
Are the new gpus in the consoles actually more powerful then the 970, 1060, 2060 - yes if you go by the RX 5700XT standards.
Do we know which new GPU from Nvidia is going to the most popular, not yet, but we will find out and see where all of this stands and I find that the most interesting.
You used the steam survey for your numbers/statement though
If you are trying to claim something has changed this generation (you said this time the consoles will have a more powerful gpu than the most popularly used card on steam) you need to show evidence that in 2013 it was different and that the most popularly used card on steam was more powerful than the ps4 and xbox one.
I would be stunned if the most used gpu on steam in 2013 was faster than a 760.
Fixed that for you
It's pretty reasonable to assume the performance of it based on the many leaks we have now. If the 3060 isn't in the 2070 super/2080 ballpark this new generation will be a massive disappointment
Price though, i will give you that. Who knows what nvidia may pull
The only thing we can assume from the leaks is that the top end cards will be fast. Doesn't necessarily mean that it will trickle down to the low end cards.It's pretty reasonable to assume the performance of it based on the many leaks we have now. If the 3060 isn't in the 2070 super/2080 ballpark this new generation will be a massive disappointment
Price though, i will give you that. Who knows what nvidia may pull
I would love to see 2080ti performance for around £250-350 next gen but we shall see.
Now that would be something!
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In similar terms, AMD must launch with RDNA2 a ~ 31TF card at $399 (as the 2nd best), so about twice as fast a 2080ti. Best one should be around 36TF for no more than $549. Good luck!
Fastest CPU is 16c/32t, so not even close enough.
Disk drive performance, from what we've seen so far, although good, its actual contribution in time remains to be seen.
16GB is pretty much standard for system RAM and recommended for normal gameplay, higher end I should say is above. Add on top vRAM and you can have an extra of 4GB, 8GB or more on top of system RAM.
Also you should consider they target 4k (maybe 60fps more frequently?) and also RT! The jump from 720p to 1080p is smaller than 1080p to 4k. Only about half.
And yes, for 4k, high fps, RT, the hardware is weak. However, the PC at the moment is in the same situation (on the GPU side), so sky is the limit for the later.
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Yes there is that I agree if you disregard price PC will still be way ahead BUT today the price differential is enormous compared to 2013. Now you can get (according to rumours) something as good as borderline enthusiast performance for less than a single card
of equivalent performance. 2070S plus the all the rest of system for the price of 2070S. It's vastly more compelling.
We are taking about gaming desktops, obviously if someone says 16 cores is higher end, someone on this forum will rock up with a 128 thread screenshot, it’s standard to see that kinda response on this forum.
The only person i know in real life that purchase a CPU with 8 7nm cores for a gaming rig would be me.
The only people i interact with that buy more than 8 7nm cores for a gaming desktop are on this forum and for the most 99% of circumstances, those cores are not pushed by the games.
Hence, as it stands today 8 zen2 cores is most certainly higher-end for gaming and, if you ran a CPU gaming bench on it, would probably eclipse 90% of legacy gaming desktops tested.
granted, it’s no 64 core content creation monster but as a gaming rig, those cores are going to rock the Kasbar.
The only person i know in real life that purchase a CPU with 8 7nm cores for a gaming rig would be me.
The only people i interact with that buy more than 8 7nm cores for a gaming desktop are on this forum and for the most 99% of circumstances, those cores are not pushed by the games.
Hence, as it stands today 8 zen2 cores is most certainly higher-end for gaming and, if you ran a CPU gaming bench on it, would probably eclipse 90% of legacy gaming desktops tested.
granted, it’s no 64 core content creation monster but as a gaming rig, those cores are going to rock the Kasbar.
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It's pretty reasonable to assume the performance of it based on the many leaks we have now. If the 3060 isn't in the 2070 super/2080 ballpark this new generation will be a massive disappointment
Price though, i will give you that. Who knows what nvidia may pull
As everyone on here will say, our pants down
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There is no point trying to debate this stuff with some people as they dont know how to be objective and just go into insta-defensive mode about their favourite platform and start quoting niche high-end specs. Just be secure in the knowledge that you are right and that you have common sense and good general knowledge and judgement on your side.
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On average, what are the percentage increases in performance each new gen......
780Ti>980Ti>1080Ti>2080Ti
780Ti>980Ti>1080Ti>2080Ti
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In your own words: This is the first time in 20 years in console history, that the CPU of the Console is equal to the latest Desktop
Obviously is not. 3950x drops in the same socket as an 8core/16 zen. And there's also 3900x. I'm not talking about threadripper.
There is no point trying to debate this stuff with some people as they dont know how to be objective and just go into insta-defensive mode about their favourite platform and start quoting niche high-end specs. Just be secure in the knowledge that you are right and that you have common sense and good general knowledge and judgement on your side.
Ironic.
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/nvidia-geforce-gtx-980-ti/31.html
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1080-ti/30.html
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/nvidia-geforce-rtx-2080-ti-founders-edition/
980ti was about 41% better than 780ti ; then 1080ti was 75% better than 980ti; 2080ti 33% better than 1080ti
all at 1440p.
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Are we expecting a big Navi to even match a 2080ti?
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I don't follow the speculation on the 3060 matching the outgoing 2080. I've always seen the newest xx60 always nearer to the older xx70. Am I missing a development from Nvidia about this somewhere
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I brought in GCN tflops as its the closest you will get to what's was in the ps4 and xbox so a much better comparison. Why would we do Nvidia tflops v console when we have a direct comparison with AMD's own GCN architecture. You never really thought that out. Now you brought up Nvidia tflops which are usually of the stated boost clocks not the actual clocks the card achieves so are lower which make them look even better. The actual tflops of a 780ti in use would be 5.8-5.9 at stock clocks. Guess what that's actually more than the 290x so makes your argument even dafter.
The facts are compared to PC we are going to get better consoles than the ps4 and xbox one were at release and not just on the gpu side in everything. PC hardware is moving at a slower rate atm so they might even last longer.
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No it was not even close to being a 7950 and more akin to a 7850 which has 1.74 tflops. Honestly do some fact checking before posting. The xbox one was akin to a 7770. Also going easy with these numbers because they are not even the Ghz cards which were the high end of that gen before the 2 series arrived.
Nah, Big Navi will be like a 2060 Super, must be why Nvidia are utting so much effort into the making the 3080/3090as beastly as possible.