NVIDIA ‘Ampere’ 8nm Graphics Cards

[Quartz]

Regardless of this, it doesn't change the fact that 4k is not yet a practical resolution for the mainstream PC market

That would be why consoles next year are going 4k. You can play your games on a 1660 Super at 4k if you drop the settings from Ultra. Hell, the 1660 Ti manages 30 fps at ultra.

Any game can kill a GPU - RTX, anyone? I've been playing games at 4k for many years now. Get over yourself and start having fun. You can always drop the resolution to 1080p.

 

[Richdog]

That would be why consoles next year are going 4k. You can play your games on a 1660 Super at 4k if you drop the settings from Ultra. Hell, the 1660 Ti manages 30 fps at ultra.

Any game can kill a GPU - RTX, anyone? I've been playing games at 4k for many years now. Get over yourself and start having fun. You can always drop the resolution to 1080p.

'Get over myself' (cringe)... for using cold logic based on knowledge and experience? Happy to agree to disagree, no point in arguing against someone that I know isn't right.

 

[4K8KW10]

And please explain why you keep banging on about ergonomics when talking about resolution? Do you somehow think that 4K is better than 1080p when it comes to ergonomics?

I have repeated multiple times that I cannot sit in front of a 1080p 24" monitor because of its extremely low quality of the picture. What language another would you like to tell you this?

Here, if you don't believe, researchers will tell you:

"Poor resolution constitutes one of the most important reasons for the poor readability of computer screens which was demonstrated by various authors (e.g., Wright and Lickorish, 1983; Gould et al., 1987). An overview of studies related to this issue was published by Dillon et al. (1988). Gould et al. demonstrated that the performance decrement vanishes if the overall quality of the electronic display including its resolution is improved. In general, research findings suggest that a higher screen resolution will improve both performance and comfort of users."

Book is:
The Occupational Ergonomics Handbook
https://books.google.com/

 

[keyser]

Rumors says RTX will be much faster - I'm hoping so to play some RTX in Control at 1440! Ideally I'd like around 90hz/FPS gsync, I just accepted tearing due to the quake days so not having it is a massive boon.

The whole RTX thing depends from game to game I think, how it was implemented. In Control there are huge differences like being enable / unable to see through windows lol

 

[melmac]

I have repeated multiple times that I cannot sit in front of a 1080p 24" monitor because of its extremely low quality of the picture. What language another would you like to tell you this?

Here, if you don't believe, researchers will tell you:

"Poor resolution constitutes one of the most important reasons for the poor readability of computer screens which was demonstrated by various authors (e.g., Wright and Lickorish, 1983; Gould et al., 1987). An overview of studies related to this issue was published by Dillon et al. (1988). Gould et al. demonstrated that the performance decrement vanishes if the overall quality of the electronic display including its resolution is improved. In general, research findings suggest that a higher screen resolution will improve both performance and comfort of users."

Book is:
The Occupational Ergonomics Handbook
https://books.google.com/

LOL you really don't have a clue do you? Quoting stuff from 30 years ago. Do you realise what monitors were like 30 years ago? It was only in the late 80's that they managed to reach 1024*768. Those were different times.

There is nothing about a 4K monitor that makes it better than a 1080p monitor better from an ergonomics point of view. Here is a list of things that do actually matter

First, Correct posture is affected by.

The distance you sit from the monitor.
The height of the monitor relative to your sitting position.

Factors that affect eye fatigue.

Incorrect brightness setting on the monitor.
Bad light in the Room.
Sitting an incorrect distance from the monitor.
PWM (or monitor flicker)
Glare.

Things you should do when using your monitor to prevent eye fatigue.
Blink more often.
Turn on the blue light filter, if your monitor has one.
Make sure the text is at the right size to suit your eyesight.
Use the 20-20-20 rule. Every 20 minutes focus for 20 seconds on something 20 feet away from you.

 

[melmac]

You need to try harder melmac, you have yet to join me on his sig

LOL, indeed, I am working on it

 

[4K8KW10]

There is nothing about a 4K monitor that makes it better than a 1080p monitor better from an ergonomics point of view.

Wrong. 4K is all about ergonomics. With 1080p screen you get grainy images with dull colours because the end colour that your eyes see and process is a mix of large pixels light plus black lines between the pixels.
With 4K, you get accurate, proper colours, and lack of those toxic additional and unnecessary black lines between the pixels which distort the image.

With 4K, your brain gets more detail which is better for it.

 

[z10m]

With 4K, you get accurate, proper colours,

Oh ok so now resolution = colours..?
Right right.....

 

[TNA]

Regardless of this, it doesn't change the fact that 4k is not yet a practical resolution for the mainstream PC market or that 1080p is still a perfectly fine resolution for general and gaming use on regular sized monitors. The argument that 1080p causes any significant additional eyestrain at regular and acceptable dpi's is just nonsense. Unscaled high resolution fonts that make you squint (and they do still exist) are far more likely to do that.

Yeah I was not argue against any of that though. All I said was you can use windows scaling so there is no need to strain eyes when using 4K. Then people started to assume I was saying all kinds of things from that

 

[Grim5]

Wrong. 4K is all about ergonomics. With 1080p screen you get grainy images with dull colours because the end colour that your eyes see and process is a mix of large pixels light plus black lines between the pixels.
With 4K, you get accurate, proper colours, and lack of those toxic additional and unnecessary black lines between the pixels which distort the image.

With 4K, your brain gets more detail which is better for it.

you know those black lines between the pixels increases perceived color contrast which has an effect on perceived resolution as higher contrast images trick our brain into thinking it's a clearer higher resolution image than it actually is.

 

[bru]

Oh ok so now resolution = colours..?
Right right.....

Just remember.

Listen, and understand. That 4K8K is out there. It can’t be bargained with. It can’t be reasoned with. It doesn’t feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop, ever, until you are brain dead.

​

 

[4K8KW10]

Oh ok so now resolution = colours..?
Right right.....

Yes:

LOL you really don't have a clue do you? Quoting stuff from 30 years ago. Do you realise what monitors were like 30 years ago? It was only in the late 80's that they managed to reach 1024*768. Those were different times.

There is nothing about a 4K monitor that makes it better than a 1080p monitor better from an ergonomics point of view. Here is a list of things that do actually matter

First, Correct posture is affected by.

The distance you sit from the monitor.
The height of the monitor relative to your sitting position.

Factors that affect eye fatigue.

Incorrect brightness setting on the monitor.
Bad light in the Room.
Sitting an incorrect distance from the monitor.
PWM (or monitor flicker)
Glare.

Things you should do when using your monitor to prevent eye fatigue.
Blink more often.
Turn on the blue light filter, if your monitor has one.
Make sure the text is at the right size to suit your eyesight.
Use the 20-20-20 rule. Every 20 minutes focus for 20 seconds on something 20 feet away from you.

It's true that the reference is 30-year-old but it doesn't specifically say that 1080p (2.073 MP) is the final, best resolution and once we have it, that is the end of the times.
You can improve resolutions infinitely in time, today you protect 1080p (2MP) as being good enough, in 5 years we will say the same about 4K (8MP), in 50 years we will be at 16K, and 1080p will have looked to us in the same way as 320x240 from the 80s or 90s looks to us today.

Also, you can't simply infinitely increase the distance between the monitor and your sitting position in order to offset the low resolution, you have a desk and you should stay in front of it.

 

[ANDREW GREEN]

I have repeated multiple times that I cannot sit in front of a 1080p 24" monitor because of its extremely low quality of the picture. What language another would you like to tell you this?

Here, if you don't believe, researchers will tell you:

"Poor resolution constitutes one of the most important reasons for the poor readability of computer screens which was demonstrated by various authors (e.g., Wright and Lickorish, 1983; Gould et al., 1987). An overview of studies related to this issue was published by Dillon et al. (1988). Gould et al. demonstrated that the performance decrement vanishes if the overall quality of the electronic display including its resolution is improved. In general, research findings suggest that a higher screen resolution will improve both performance and comfort of users."

Book is:
The Occupational Ergonomics Handbook
https://books.google.com/

Did you know that in 2007 the 50 inch 720p 5080 Kuro was considered better by every cinema enthusiast than any 1080p screen - at 50 inches not 24 inches. Today only OLED displays have passed the 5080 in black quality. Because black depth and colour accuracy are far more important to viewing than resolution.

It's probable your cheap 1080p 24inch monitor has ***** blacks, colour accuracy and refresh.

Even with cameras, experts never considered resolution the most important factor

 

[TNA]

Just remember.

​

Hahahaha

You also trying to make it into his sig?

Someone should stick my quote in their sig. Lol

 

[Rroff]

Yes:

That only happens if you take a high resolution image and scale it down to a smaller resolution - normally you'd just have large parts of the image off-screen and have to scroll around without any loss of detail. Might happen with video if you try to display UHD on 1080p, etc. but you won't lose any colour accuracy or detail in normal situations.

 

[Grim5]

That would be why consoles next year are going 4k. You can play your games on a 1660 Super at 4k if you drop the settings from Ultra. Hell, the 1660 Ti manages 30 fps at ultra.

Any game can kill a GPU - RTX, anyone? I've been playing games at 4k for many years now. Get over yourself and start having fun. You can always drop the resolution to 1080p.

Poor pc gamers, 4k not practical? Shame, that's why all next gen consoles are doing 4k gaming - poor PC gamers can't even match a console.

 

[ANDREW GREEN]

With 1080p screen you get grainy images with dull colours because the end colour that your eyes see and process is a mix of large pixels light plus black lines between the pixels.
With 4K, you get accurate, proper colours, and lack of those toxic additional and unnecessary black lines between the pixels which distort the image.

With 4K, your brain gets more detail which is better for it.

That's absolute ******. No LED/LCD screen can turn off it's backlights so you don't get true blacks in any LED/LCD screen. Any OLED or Plasma can completely turn off backlight dimming so would destroy any LCD/LED in black level and colour accuracy regardless of resolution.

IPS/VA Panels will offer superior blacks/colours to regular TN panels but they're still nowhere close to being a match for OLED or Plasma in image quality

 

[z10m]

And next year Apple is rumoured to put MicroLED panels in iPads and MacBooks.

 

[Richdog]

That's absolute ******. No LED/LCD screen can turn off it's backlights so you don't get true blacks in any LED/LCD screen. Any OLED or Plasma can completely turn off backlight dimming so would destroy any LCD/LED in black level and colour accuracy regardless of resolution.

IPS/VA Panels will offer superior blacks/colours to regular TN panels but they're still nowhere close to being a match for OLED or Plasma in image quality

I think it is clear we are dealing with uninformed fantasists... the ignore function is about to be used.

 

[z10m]

I think it is clear we are dealing with uninformed fantasists... the ignore function is about to be used.

Come on he is a proper entertainer.....