NVIDIA ‘Ampere’ 8nm Graphics Cards

[ALXAndy]

Oh well, if their performance doesn't justify the prices, I'll see if AMD can offer a good upgrade from my 1080Ti.

I am under no doubt they will be fast. They have to be. Nvidia are releasing first, and big Navi could be pretty good. Small Navi was good enough to give Nvidia a slap and reduce the price of the 2060, 2060S and 2070 and S. If they lose at the top end? or AMD even get within 20%? there goes your credibility and your stupid £1400 GPUs.

The 3090 is designed and made to do lots of things. Guzzling power will be a side effect of cheap dies from Samsung, but it has to win. And do it well. And be released first.

That is why it is as ridiculous as it already sounds, and why Nvidia have gone so mental on the size and power connectors ETC. It simply can't lose.. If it does oh boy there goes their crown and their share prices. So it won't lose, and they won't lose face but will come with its caveats (not that any one will care about when spending £1400 on a GPU).

GPUs have always lived and died by a simple equation.

Hot + loud + guzzle power + not being ATI by more than 10% or so? = fail (see GTX 480)
Hot + quiet + guzzle power - win (see GTX 580 with its artificial limit in place)

However, all any one really gives a crap about who is going to buy one? performance. Every other metric can be absolute crap but if the performance is good enough no one will care. See also Radeon 290 stock cooler. In every way it was absolutely terrible but it was a complete success.

If this 3090 cooler is to be believed then I would say it will cope OK with a 400w card. Well, it will make noise but again no one will care. The last thing they would ever do is strap an AIO to it because then they would never get rid of the stigma (see also Fury X and its terrible, noisy unreliable AIO).

Unless they impose serious power limits (going back to Pascal) then this thing will need water to shine. Just like the Pascal 1080ti, Titans and the 2080Ti. But Nvidia won't do that they will leave it up to you.

 

[ALXAndy]

I know just more looks wise it looks like one from the bottom.

Exited to see what AIB partners come up with cooler wise.

There may not be AIB 3090s at all. If the rumour I heard is true (they are ditching the Titan moniker) then they may insist that they and only they make 3090s. I have already heard that the 3090 dies are going to be in very limited supply (they are failed Quadros or whatever and use far too much power to be realistically put in a server or cloud) and thus are literally the cast offs (of which I have heard there are many on this Samsung process).

 

[Jacky60]

I am under no doubt they will be fast. They have to be. Nvidia are releasing first, and big Navi could be pretty good. Small Navi was good enough to give Nvidia a slap and reduce the price of the 2060, 2060S and 2070 and S. If they lose at the top end? or AMD even get within 20%? there goes your credibility and your stupid £1400 GPUs.

The 3090 is designed and made to do lots of things. Guzzling power will be a side effect of cheap dies from Samsung, but it has to win. And do it well. And be released first.

That is why it is as ridiculous as it already sounds, and why Nvidia have gone so mental on the size and power connectors ETC. It simply can't lose.. If it does oh boy there goes their crown and their share prices. So it won't lose, and they won't lose face but will come with its caveats (not that any one will care about when spending £1400 on a GPU).

GPUs have always lived and died by a simple equation.

Hot + loud + guzzle power + not being ATI by more than 10% or so? = fail (see GTX 480)
Hot + quiet + guzzle power - win (see GTX 580 with its artificial limit in place)

However, all any one really gives a crap about who is going to buy one? performance. Every other metric can be absolute crap but if the performance is good enough no one will care. See also Radeon 290 stock cooler. In every way it was absolutely terrible but it was a complete success.

If this 3090 cooler is to be believed then I would say it will cope OK with a 400w card. Well, it will make noise but again no one will care. The last thing they would ever do is strap an AIO to it because then they would never get rid of the stigma (see also Fury X and its terrible, noisy unreliable AIO).

Unless they impose serious power limits (going back to Pascal) then this thing will need water to shine. Just like the Pascal 1080ti, Titans and the 2080Ti. But Nvidia won't do that they will leave it up to you.

Is maximum 9-10% over stock really worth the faff of water? If I could get 20-25% I'd be all in but 9% better while probably noticeable isn't really 'shining' in my book.

 

[ik9000]

a fan on the back side? I'd have to measure my clearance between cooler and the pcie slot but I don't think it would fit on my mobo without a change of cooler and that isn't something I'll be rushing to do.

 

[ALXAndy]

Is maximum 9-10% over stock really worth the faff of water? If I could get 20-25% I'd be all in but 9% better while probably noticeable isn't really 'shining' in my book.

It isn't 9-10% though. My last cards before the KP were the Titan XP and Titan XM. To put it in perspective here, the XP did around 1730 in prolonged gaming sessions with the fan at about 80% in a half decent case. Under a 240mm rad and water block? 2125 all day long. Sometimes even higher. I never saw a 1080Ti under water get within 10%.

And the same went with the Titan XM. I had it on a EVGA Hybrid, because the clock loss, heat and speed loss made it much slower than it had the potential for.

The 2080Ti? did not work under a blower. Well, it did right but it was a horror show.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssqYleBjPIw&feature=emb_logo

Again we weren't talking about a 9-10% performance loss it was far greater than that and a right old sod to live with. It was horrible, so Nvidia for the first time ever ditched the blower and went all fans. Are there air cards that can do those sort of speeds? well yes, but they are absolutely massive and make noise. Even if it's far less noise than a blower it is still noise, and it still gets louder the higher your clocks.

And that is why Alienware and Asetek on their behalf came up with this thing.



That was the only way they could get a 2080Ti to work on a blower. And, I would strongly surmise that the design will not be limited to the 2080Ti either, as they came up with it only very recently (very late in the day for Turing right?).

So yeah. If, like my Titan cards and etc? there really is that extra 15-20%? who in their right mind (and spending £1400) will leave it off the table?

As soon as RTX was announced the end of an era came. No more cheap, tiny high clocked little dies from either side. We are now back to the tanks, and tanks take cooling.

 

[KillBoY_UK]

Is maximum 9-10% over stock really worth the faff of water? If I could get 20-25% I'd be all in but 9% better while probably noticeable isn't really 'shining' in my book.

at the time GTX 480 SLi under water was very nice

 

[ALXAndy]

at the time GTX 480 SLi under water was very nice

Indeed. Even the 480 under the Zalman 3000VF was awesome (the Zotac Amp cooler). It used loads of power, though. Like, loads and loads. But it did clock very well when cooled properly and was pretty damn fast. I had two in SLi, but I did not overclock them because, well, this.

https://forums.evga.com/24pin-ATX-p...r-data-from-unaffected-computers-m749507.aspx


Which was "fixed" initially in that thread but later revised by boards makers on X79 and X99 with a PCIE connector or EPS. Those are gone now though.. So I just hope Nvidia don't break PCIE spec again (like the 5970, 6990, 590 etc) did. Because once again we will see melting wires.

 

[Jacky60]

Well I never, who'd have thunk it! I didn't see melting wires with my 5970/6990s but I'm happy to see spec exceeded if there's a warranty somewhere. My Titan XP's happily flew along albeit noisily at 1924-1974 on air. Did prefer the relative quiet of the 295x2s but they were still good space heaters.

 

[tyler_jrb]

There may not be AIB 3090s at all. If the rumour I heard is true (they are ditching the Titan moniker) then they may insist that they and only they make 3090s. I have already heard that the 3090 dies are going to be in very limited supply (they are failed Quadros or whatever and use far too much power to be realistically put in a server or cloud) and thus are literally the cast offs (of which I have heard there are many on this Samsung process).

So no tsmc 7nm then? :/

From what I’ve heard Samsung’s 8nm is crap so could explain the tdp. If thats the case god save us all (AMD) .

 

[kazuya1337]

It isn't 9-10% though. My last cards before the KP were the Titan XP and Titan XM. To put it in perspective here, the XP did around 1730 in prolonged gaming sessions with the fan at about 80% in a half decent case. Under a 240mm rad and water block? 2125 all day long. Sometimes even higher. I never saw a 1080Ti under water get within 10%.

And the same went with the Titan XM. I had it on a EVGA Hybrid, because the clock loss, heat and speed loss made it much slower than it had the potential for.

The 2080Ti? did not work under a blower. Well, it did right but it was a horror show.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssqYleBjPIw&feature=emb_logo

Again we weren't talking about a 9-10% performance loss it was far greater than that and a right old sod to live with. It was horrible, so Nvidia for the first time ever ditched the blower and went all fans. Are there air cards that can do those sort of speeds? well yes, but they are absolutely massive and make noise. Even if it's far less noise than a blower it is still noise, and it still gets louder the higher your clocks.

And that is why Alienware and Asetek on their behalf came up with this thing.



That was the only way they could get a 2080Ti to work on a blower. And, I would strongly surmise that the design will not be limited to the 2080Ti either, as they came up with it only very recently (very late in the day for Turing right?).

So yeah. If, like my Titan cards and etc? there really is that extra 15-20%? who in their right mind (and spending £1400) will leave it off the table?

As soon as RTX was announced the end of an era came. No more cheap, tiny high clocked little dies from either side. We are now back to the tanks, and tanks take cooling.

This has been shown to make very little difference, and Alienware thermals are mostly down to their awful cases and their own cheap branded parts. They are the Nike of PC's

 

[tyler_jrb]

Is maximum 9-10% over stock really worth the faff of water? If I could get 20-25% I'd be all in but 9% better while probably noticeable isn't really 'shining' in my book.

It’s mainly the noise and looks I guess if that’s what you want. Or a micro system where a full card may simply be too hot and noisy. However custom AIB cards are usually good enough and the performance difference is usually extremely minor, almost identical in fact from my testing.

Watercooling GPU’s has for a while now not been worth it on a pure performance basis as you can’t mod voltages/power limits via custom bios anymore.

However Turing underclocks very well if noise/heat is more important. Can half my Ti power consumption while losing around 7-8% performance if I really wanted too. And obviously on water you can imagine how silent said system can become.

 

[ALXAndy]

That leaked pic of the 3090 is 100% fake. No doubt about it, unless there are new motherboards coming out that are completely different to what we have now.

I looked up the size spec of the 2080Ti, then pulled an image of a real one to the size it is described as. I checked the fans were round (They were) and measured high 80s in mm. I can not find the exact fan size spec, but I would imagine that is about right. Maybe a 90mm, which in reality is smaller.

And here is what happens when you scale the PCIE socket on that supposed 3090 image.



According to scale and size the fan would be over 120mm (more likely 140, as it scales to around 128mm) but the PCI connector edge would have to stick out of the back of your case by about 100mm. The PCI plate itself is 3d, yet the card is laying flat.

I do totally believe the leaked image of the PCB with three 8 pin is real, though, as this was confirmed a while ago. However, I am a little dubious about that too because apparently the 3080 is on some weird ass PCB that is not just one board like the 3090 leak suggests.



However, there is definitely an extra PCB in that shot. Whether that is real? 90%. Whether the 3090 sizing pic is real? 0%. When pulled to scale it simply would not fit any computer anywhere.

 

[Twinz]

Your scale is off somehow. The distance from the PCIe connector to the edge of the case (mounting bracket) should be a standard distance....they are different in your pic.

Either Nvidia is going to sell cases specifically for their 3090 or the pic is off.

 

[humbug]

Your scale is off somehow. The distance from the PCIe connector to the edge of the case (mounting bracket) should be a standard distance....they are different in your pic.

Either Nvidia is going to sell cases specifically for their 3090 or the pic is off.

I measured the IO bracket on my screen, the 2080TI is 12.5cm while the 3090 is 14.5cm, a difference of 16%, the 3090 is 16% oversized.

 

[ALXAndy]

Your scale is off somehow. The distance from the PCIe connector to the edge of the case (mounting bracket) should be a standard distance....they are different in your pic.

Either Nvidia is going to sell cases specifically for their 3090 or the pic is off.

The simple answer is that no, my scale is not off (it's in a £2000 piece of software) and secondly no, Nvidia are not going to be making cases. The simple, hard to accept answer is that pic is totally and utterly fake, and someone knocked it up for a laugh.

 

[ALXAndy]

I measured the IO bracket on my screen, the 2080TI is 12.5cm while the 3090 is 14.5cm, a difference of 16%, the 3090 is 16% oversized.

I used one dimension and one only to get to that pic. The slot. I did not touch the perspective of the 2080Ti pic at all, because it is in perfect context and the fans were perfectly round. By the time you pull that "3090" to match it breaks all computer spec. It is, without doubt, 100% fake.

 

[humbug]

I measured the IO bracket on my screen, the 2080TI is 12.5cm while the 3090 is 14.5cm, a difference of 16%, the 3090 is 16% oversized.

Double-checking the 2080TI is actually 11.5cm, so 26%

 

[humbug]

I used one dimension and one only to get to that pic. The slot. I did not touch the perspective of the 2080Ti pic at all, because it is in perfect context and the fans were perfectly round. By the time you pull that "3090" to match it breaks all computer spec. It is, without doubt, 100% fake.

Its easy to see what it actually should look like, the IO bracket should be exactly the same size, so shrink the 3090 by 26%. This unless the GPU doesn't belong to that IO bracket.

 

[gpuerrilla]

 

[HRL]

What's the opportunity cost of that £400?

If you mean I could spend it on something more worthwhile, yes you’re right. However it was put aside for a GPU in the first place so that’s what I’m likely to spend it on.

Not sure if that’s what you meant TBH, it’s not a term I’m familiar with.