NVIDIA ‘Ampere’ 8nm Graphics Cards

[LeMson]

AMD has no ray tracing which FS2020 utilises though.

Huh? They are sposed to and rtx might not come to fs2020 for a while

 

[FoxEye]

Going to 7nm should be a big step.

I’d be very surprised if something like a 3060/3070 doesn’t match 2080Ti

Got to leave some headroom for the 3060 Super and 3070 Super in 8 months time, tho

 

[3t3P]

Nvidia will stop at nothing for the performance crown, they are over engineering to guarantee this and by doing so running the process perhaps close to the limit.

This may mean they perceive a credible threat from AMD?

With the 3090 being the Bug Veyron approach to a GPU.

 

[danlightbulb]

Erm, if it was round before you stretched it and not round after you stretched it, it's because you only stretched it along one axis

The dodgy manipulation is possibly yours

Yes it was round before i stretched it, but I had to stretch it to correctly proportion the PCI connectors on the bottom and the metal bracket on the left. So it was out of proportion before but with round fans, and making it into proportion made the fans not round.

 

[Satchfanuk]

@Kaapstad

This is Apparently GA102, its on TSMC 7nm, not Samsung 8nm. https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/nvidia-ga102.g930#:~:text=NVIDIA's GA102 GPU uses the,mapping units and 96 ROPs

It has 7552 Shaders.

There is also this: https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/geforce-rtx-3080-ti.c3581#:~:text=Unlike the fully unlocked GeForce,mapping units, and 96 ROPs

Apparent 3080TI, 5120 Shaders, also TSMC 7nm, if true it goes against the rumour that everything but the Titan cards are on Samsung 8nm



Right, because even on TSMC 7nm GA102 is already 627mm2. i said this ages ago there will be no 2080TI + 80%, some even said 2080TI + 100%, even Nvidia are not making the die paving slabs as big as they would need to be for that. BTW GA102 is a 400+ Watt GPU.

@humbug you haven't seen the notes at the bottom of those specs (or you've chosen to ignore it ) where it says GA102 Notes - Speculation. TPU don't know the specs so the number of shaders may not be 7552 but more like the number in the leaks from rogame etc, ie 5120 (3080) and 5376 (3090).

GA100 only has 6912 shader so I find it very hard to believe GA102 will have more, considering it will have RT cores etc added to it, which GA100 does not have.

 

[humbug]

@humbug you haven't seen the notes at the bottom of those specs (or you've chosen to ignore it) where it says GA102 Notes - Speculation. TPU don't know the specs so the number of shaders may not be 7552 but more like the number in the leaks from rogame etc, ie 5120 (3080) and 5376 (3090).

I didn't see that but am well aware this is all speculation, which is why i said "apparently".

I do think doubling 2080TI performance is fantasy, just like i think doubling 5700XT performance on the AMD side is fantasy, i do however think people underestimate what AMD could do, because they haven't looked at the 5700XT critically, its a seriously quick card for what it is and its easy to scale it up and see what something like that could do scaled up.

Its an RX 580 replacement but punching way above that level.

 

[FoxEye]

Yes it was round before i stretched it, but I had to stretch it to correctly proportion the PCI connectors on the bottom and the metal bracket on the left. So it was out of proportion before but with round fans, and making it into proportion made the fans not round.

Why did you stretch it along only one axis tho?

What was the reason for not maintaining the aspect ratio?

 

[Gerard]

Really hope this fits in my mid sized case. I am already upgrading my PSU for the 3090. Really don’t want to move everything to a new case.

Don't worry, NVIDIA are sure to offer compatible NVIDIA branded cases for it.

 

[Vertigo]

If the 3090 is about 20% or so quicker than the 3080 then for sure the 3080 will be the best for the money, if those prices were accurate anyway

This is what doesn't make sense for me, the £600 jump from the 3080 to the 3090 is far too large for the performance improvement.

I know it's not usually a linear scale but that kind of price/performance ratio is usually left for the Titan, i.e. the "money no object" halo card that no one actually buys.

 

[Satchfanuk]

I didn't see that but am well aware this is all speculation, which is why i said "apparently".

I do think doubling 2080TI performance is fantasy, just like i think doubling 5700XT performance on the AMD side is fantasy, i do however think people underestimate what AMD could do, because they haven't looked at the 5700XT critically, its a seriously quick card for what it is and its easy to scale it up and see what something like that could do scaled up.

Its an RX 580 replacement but punching way above that level.

In true AMD style, the Navi 10 design was borked by all accounts meaning they couldn't scale it up and didn't have the time to fix it, hence the 5700XT was fed steroids to take it way beyond its original position in the stack and left AMD with nothing else to fill out the other tiers. At least until much later and lower.

I just hope they learned those lessons, fixed their future designs so they wouldn't come back to haunt them, giving us a proper release of RDNA2 without any dramas.

 

[Journey]

Card reminds me of the size of the Asus GTX 580 DirectCU II, that was a beastly thing, not quite as tall however. No idea why anyone thinks the pictures couldn't be legit, its a perfectly 'normal' size fro a very powerful GPU.

 

[ALXAndy]

Glad I'm using an open bench case for my 24/7 PC, it can take any size card.

I'm not going to post it all again but the shoulder height looks the same as a Kingpin, or any other big card. So the card looks like it is 140mm high or so. The length? I really cba putting it into Photoshop and peeing around but I could work it out. I think it is going to be over 300mm long, maybe like the 6990 which was 310 or so.

Fans? possibly 100mm, or if it really is that big? 120. I reckon 100, though. Just like all of the other enormous cards on the market.



I don't think it will be awfully bigger than that (the 1080Ti KP) but if real it's deffo 2.5 slots thick. So over 50mm, hence the triple back plate.

 

[Vertigo]

I'm not going to post it all again but the shoulder height looks the same as a Kingpin, or any other big card. So the card looks like it is 140mm high or so. The length? I really cba putting it into Photoshop and peeing around but I could work it out. I think it is going to be over 300mm long, maybe like the 6990 which was 310 or so.

My very rough measurements/scaling put it at around 135 high and 335 long, which as you say isn't any higher than current "big" cards but is one of the longest I've ever seen.

 

[labbby]

first image of the Ampere GTX Titan

 

[imginy]

No idea why anyone thinks the pictures couldn't be legit, its a perfectly 'normal' size fro a very powerful GPU.

The size difference between the 3080 and 3090 looks too big to me.

 

[Satchfanuk]

I'm not going to post it all again but the shoulder height looks the same as a Kingpin, or any other big card. So the card looks like it is 140mm high or so. The length? I really cba putting it into Photoshop and peeing around but I could work it out. I think it is going to be over 300mm long, maybe like the 6990 which was 310 or so.

Fans? possibly 100mm, or if it really is that big? 120. I reckon 100, though. Just like all of the other enormous cards on the market.



I don't think it will be awfully bigger than that (the 1080Ti KP) but if real it's deffo 2.5 slots thick. So over 50mm, hence the triple back plate.

The difference there though is that these are all generally heavily overclocked AIB cards, hence the larger coolers but the 3090 we've seen pictured is the bog standard FE version.

How big would the AIB coolers have to be on this card if they were able to create KP versions or similar? It's already massive, so I dread to think how big they would have to go

 

[danlightbulb]

Why did you stretch it along only one axis tho?

What was the reason for not maintaining the aspect ratio?

Because if I maintained the aspect ratio whilst making the PCI connectors the same size, the metal mounting bracket would have been way too big. They are a standard size too.

 

[Participant]

first image of the Ampere GTX Titan

RTX?

This is going to end up as a relative planet size meme, e.g.:

 

[Satchfanuk]

RTX?

This is going to end up as a relative planet size meme, e.g.:

Is this a 'Which One Is Hotter' meme, with the 3090 in 1st place

 

[humbug]

In true AMD style, the Navi 10 design was borked by all accounts meaning they couldn't scale it up and didn't have the time to fix it, hence the 5700XT was fed steroids to take it way beyond its original position in the stack and left AMD with nothing else to fill out the other tiers. At least until much later and lower.

I just hope they learned those lessons, fixed their future designs so they wouldn't come back to haunt them, giving us a proper release of RDNA2 without any dramas.

Yeah, the 5700XT is a middle of development GPU, half old GCN, half new RDNA, its the GCN part thats holding it back from scaling, GCN is horrible for scaling.... they pushed it out half finished mid development because its all the had to stay relevant with Turing strutting its mighty stuff.

Despite this it shows so much promise, with 40 CU's its as fast or faster than a 60 CU Radeon VII at the same clock speed, and the Radeon VII has about double the memory bandwidth.
Its a glimpse of what's coming once all the GCN crap has been ripped out, the IPC is at least on par with Turing, the XBox Series X proves they have scaled it to at least 52 CU's, it has a very clever and capable way of dealing with Ray Tracing, the PS5 proves it clocks to at least 2.3Ghz.
Whats more that XBox is a 330mm2 die which includes a Ryzen 3700X and a total package power of 170 Watt's, take out 40 / 50 Watt's and 80mm2 for the CPU, what are you left with for this 52 CU <2080TI RDNA2 GPU? 250mm2 and about 120 to 130 Watt's

(Speculation) RDNA2, 64 CU's, 2.3Ghz, a small 10% bump in IPC.... that's a monster, one that should worry the Leather Jacket tho i still think Nvidia WIL WIN. but Jens will sweat buckets to get the win and not by all that much.

That's my prediction.