NVIDIA ‘Ampere’ 8nm Graphics Cards

ALXAndy · 24 Aug 2020 at 19:33

Twinz said:
I don't think you understand my point.

The die is huge because they designed it that way. It's almost like you are just assuming that Nvidia had no choice in the size of the dies. They design this stuff.

Considering the tiny performance gain produced by this approach, maybe they should have gone back to the drawing board.

Of course they designed it that way. It was a slightly shrunken Pascal with the tensor cores bolted on.

Again, you didn't have to buy it. Your choice.

It's like people whining because Ferarris and Lambos are too expensive and they have to drive a sensible family car.

ALXAndy · 24 Aug 2020 at 19:37

TNA said:
Lol. Dude, as I said, I get that it costs more to make due to bigger die etc. My point is they have also increased margins. Are you saying their margins are the same as Pascal and Maxwell?

I have absolutely no idea and neither do you. I know they pumped an awful lot of dough into deep learning for everything but PC gaming, which still costs them as they are one company.

People seem to forget the development costs in all of this. Maybe if they really hate Nvidia so much they should pop down to TSMC and get them to make their GPUs LOL.

It's a moot point. Buy? don't buy? either or. There are a million and more other things people can't afford to buy, and they make do perfectly fine. As I said before, you don't NEED any of these GPUs and you most certainly don't HAVE to buy any either. If moaning about the price is all you are going to do then get a console, because really I don't see that changing. If AMD beat Nvidia at any point (hah yeah right) then they will charge you these prices, because the world apart from you has confirmed it is OK.

Twinz · 24 Aug 2020 at 19:49

ALXAndy said:
Of course they designed it that way. It was a slightly shrunken Pascal with the tensor cores bolted on.

Again, you didn't have to buy it. Your choice.

It's like people whining because Ferarris and Lambos are too expensive and they have to drive a sensible family car.

Funny you should mention cars. I race cars as a hobby, and it's not uncommon for people to get excited their first time at the track and want to start spending loads of money on stuff that won't actually make them faster or even worse, make them slower. (RT comes to mind)

People who discuss this stuff with veteran drivers first, usually avoid wasting a bunch of money.

opethdisciple · 24 Aug 2020 at 19:53

TheRealDeal said:
I would never buy a 4 series board when you can get pci-e 4 on the 5 series. Cpu and motherboard's will last a while so why miss out on the feature. Some people can give weird advice.

About 6 months back in the Ryzen 3000 threads almost every one was saying PCIe 3 bandwidth would be enough for years and years and that it was the wise thing to buy the Tomahawk MAX B450 over the X570 Aorus Elite.

Didn't think it was wise buying in to a standard that was on the way out when the new standard was already here and going prime time with the next round of cards so I ended up with the X570 Aorus Elite.

Xelene · 24 Aug 2020 at 19:57

hardware unboxed shifted test system to 3950x because PCIE 4.0

ALXAndy · 24 Aug 2020 at 20:24

CheeZuShRicE said:
Hope the rumour mill is wrong on the size and power front, my NCase M1 with its Corsair SF600 is not looking good, love that case too had three builds in it and really don’t want to move onto something else. I’m another that skipped Turing on 1080ti personally ready to upgrade but clearly my much adored case is not.

You will have to wait for the 3070 and 3060 then really. The 3080 uses the 12 pin, or three 8 pin which means it really ought not to be in a ITX case even if you could.

kazuya1337 · 24 Aug 2020 at 20:32

kohlditz said:
hardware unboxed shifted test system to 3950x because PCIE 4.0

His video on this was pretty much a joke and just made him look like a hack

TNA · 24 Aug 2020 at 20:38

ALXAndy said:
I have absolutely no idea and neither do you. I know they pumped an awful lot of dough into deep learning for everything but PC gaming, which still costs them as they are one company.

People seem to forget the development costs in all of this. Maybe if they really hate Nvidia so much they should pop down to TSMC and get them to make their GPUs LOL.

It's a moot point. Buy? don't buy? either or. There are a million and more other things people can't afford to buy, and they make do perfectly fine. As I said before, you don't NEED any of these GPUs and you most certainly don't HAVE to buy any either. If moaning about the price is all you are going to do then get a console, because really I don't see that changing. If AMD beat Nvidia at any point (hah yeah right) then they will charge you these prices, because the world apart from you has confirmed it is OK.

It’s a moot point? It is the bloody whole point of what we are discussing... You seem to be hung up on people moaning and them not having to buy the top end stuff etc. Like wtf... incessantly pointing out the obvious

To paraphrase what good old Gregster once said “it is my money and I will spend it how I see fit”. If I want to moan about nvidia charging more I will, you can read or not read it. Makes no difference to me

roysters · 24 Aug 2020 at 20:40

Here was me thinking I was going to put it in my mini ITX build Paired with my LGC9.. scrap that. Damn card is almost as big as the TV.

Guess it will go in my "work" computer

Kaapstad · 24 Aug 2020 at 20:49

kohlditz said:
hardware unboxed shifted test system to 3950x because PCIE 4.0

If there were CPUs out there that support PCI-E 4.0 that were capable of getting over 5ghz then it would make sense for a reviewer to use a 3950X system.

For reviewing Hardware Unboxed have just taken 2 steps back instead of 1 step forward.

Having said that for normal users at high resolution a 3950X system is about as good as it gets and I have been very tempted to get one myself.

Journey · 24 Aug 2020 at 20:53

Kaapstad said:
If there were CPUs out there that support PCI-E 4.0 that were capable of getting over 5ghz then it would make sense for a reviewer to use a 3950X system.

Lets not confuse IPC with clock speed, if the next generation of AMD CPU's only do 4.5GHz but perform better than a CPU at 5GHz, they are better, it is that simple.

robfosters · 24 Aug 2020 at 20:56

Kaapstad said:
If there were CPUs out there that support PCI-E 4.0 that were capable of getting over 5ghz then it would make sense for a reviewer to use a 3950X system.

For reviewing Hardware Unboxed have just taken 2 steps back instead of 1 step forward.

Having said that for normal users at high resolution a 3950X system is about as good as it gets and I have been very tempted to get one myself.

Do you not think it’s a good idea to follow market trends as well. Thousands of people have gone down the ryzen route and they are now outselling Intel.

Surely it makes sense to test on the platform that will soon be used by the majority of their viewers?

Twinz · 24 Aug 2020 at 21:03

I thought they also noted that Ryzen was getting higher frame rates with a 2080Ti at higher resolutions...the resolutions that people get the expensive cards to run.

gpuerrilla · 24 Aug 2020 at 21:04

It does make sense as people are not just nonchalantly buying intel as its 'for gamers' anymore, they are also buying for better use case with extra cores for multi-threading and the new boon in streaming/youtubewannabe's.

Intel missed the boat swimming in their full-fat gravy and fell asleep, now they have realised clockspeed isnt the sole selling point of processing.

If it makes you happy your man Steve should have two builds to benchmark with, an intel one and an AMD one and try and chop the volume of tests in half if he wants to please all the audience.

Kaapstad · 24 Aug 2020 at 21:19

Journey said:
Lets not confuse IPC with clock speed, if the next generation of AMD CPU's only do 4.5GHz but perform better than a CPU at 5GHz, they are better, it is that simple.

There is no substitute for raw clockspeed when the fps are very high (something AMD CPUs are not good at) this is very important for a reviewer when using resolutions like 1080p.

Kaapstad · 24 Aug 2020 at 21:21

robfosters said:
Do you not think it’s a good idea to follow market trends as well. Thousands of people have gone down the ryzen route and they are now outselling Intel.

Surely it makes sense to test on the platform that will soon be used by the majority of their viewers?

A reviewer should use the best platform for whatever they are testing, it is not their job to follow market trends, they should be totally focused on what they are testing can do.

Journey · 24 Aug 2020 at 21:22

Kaapstad said:
There is no substitute for raw clockspeed when the fps are very high (something AMD CPUs are not good at) this is very important for a reviewer when using resolutions like 1080p.

So why aren't we all using Pentium 4's clocked at 7GHz these days? Oh yeah, they were utter **** even at 3 8GHz.

Kaapstad · 24 Aug 2020 at 21:23

Journey said:
So why aren't we all using Pentium 4's clocked at 7GHz these days? Oh yeah, they were utter **** even at 3 8GHz.

I think you know the answer to that.

Journey · 24 Aug 2020 at 21:28

Kaapstad said:
I think you know the answer to that.

So why does it matter that a CPU now needs to run at a certain frequency to be faster?

5GHz Skylake IPC, or 4 5GHz Zen3 IPC tell me again why 5GHz will 'be faster' or are we just being silly today?

Participant · 24 Aug 2020 at 21:36

Hardware Unboxed ran a poll and ~85% of respondents wanted them to move to Ryzen.

They're doing what their audience wants, whether or not Kaapstad and kazuya1337 agree with it. Irrespective though it makes complete sense.