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NVIDIA ‘Ampere’ 8nm Graphics Cards

Journey said:
So why does it matter that a CPU now needs to run at a certain frequency to be faster?

5GHz Skylake IPC, or 4 5GHz Zen3 IPC tell me again why 5GHz will 'be faster' or are we just being silly today?
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Not going to waste my time debating with you.

If you read my posts above carefully I have already given the reason why.

Accept the fact that not all tasks run best on a particular CPU.

For the record I am not very impressed with intel CPUs ATM and their HEDT ones in particular are absolutely appalling in some areas like power consumption, MESH and IMCs.
 
Quartz said:
And better shadows. And better lighting. And better depth of field. And...
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None of that is guaranteed if all the devs want to do is make everything glossy, giving all our games a "hall of mirrors" look. Which is all they've managed so far with this technology.

"Accurate" lighting and shadows has taken a back seat to making the side of your gun reflect the muzzle flash (etc).
 
They were pretty clear about the rational, most of the audience was on Ryzen and PCI4 gives marginal gains in current games but it's becoming important.

Horizon Zero Dawn for instance is heavily bandwith limited.

I honestly couldn't give a **** about who is better so long as they are both competitive and I can get cheaper faster bits.
 
ALXAndy said:
I have absolutely no idea and neither do you. I know they pumped an awful lot of dough into deep learning for everything but PC gaming, which still costs them as they are one company.

People seem to forget the development costs in all of this. Maybe if they really hate Nvidia so much they should pop down to TSMC and get them to make their GPUs LOL.

It's a moot point. Buy? don't buy? either or. There are a million and more other things people can't afford to buy, and they make do perfectly fine. As I said before, you don't NEED any of these GPUs and you most certainly don't HAVE to buy any either. If moaning about the price is all you are going to do then get a console, because really I don't see that changing. If AMD beat Nvidia at any point (hah yeah right) then they will charge you these prices, because the world apart from you has confirmed it is OK.
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It is a moot point you're bang on, that's why its being discussed when the pricing topic comes up regularly. It does have relevance when consumers are being ripped off by a company in a dominant market position... Say it like it is instead of trying to find justification and making excuses its all been discussed already we know and have heard it all before. Sure buy or don't buy, but don't pretend its ok outside your own mindset cos its not.
 
BigBANGtheory said:
It is a moot point you're bang on, that's why its being discussed when the pricing topic comes up regularly. It does have relevance when consumers are being ripped off by a company in a dominant market position... Say it like it is instead of trying to find justification and making excuses its all been discussed already we know and have heard it all before. Sure buy or don't buy, but don't pretend its ok outside your own mindset cos its not.
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Its like politicians sidestepping the questions. We know its price and we dont have to buy it (top tier). But dont slide up the rest of the stack creeping up all the margins, people spot the milking no matter how blind to it you want to be.
 
Predictions of IPC gains Ampere vs Turing?

Or core equivalency? 3000 Ampere cores =~4300 Turing cores etc?

Eyeing up the 3080 to replace my 2080S
 
Participant said:
Hardware Unboxed ran a poll and ~85% of respondents wanted them to move to Ryzen.

They're doing what their audience wants, whether or not Kaapstad and kazuya1337 agree with it. Irrespective though it makes complete sense.
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That’s the crux of it. Their viewers want it by a vast majority. It’s the right thing to do.

who the hell uses the very best in PC’s for 1080p anyway apart from competitive gamers still stuck on counter strike and wanting 10000000fps?
 
opethdisciple said:
About 6 months back in the Ryzen 3000 threads almost every one was saying PCIe 3 bandwidth would be enough for years and years and that it was the wise thing to buy the Tomahawk MAX B450 over the X570 Aorus Elite.

Didn't think it was wise buying in to a standard that was on the way out when the new standard was already here and going prime time with the next round of cards so I ended up with the X570 Aorus Elite.
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Maybe one someone is buying a Ryzen 5 3600 for £150,it makes no sense to be spending another £50~£100 on a motherboard,when that could be the difference between a GTX1660 and an RX5600XT/RX5700/RTX2060?

Also,AMD pulled official support for PCI-E 4.0 on B450,when many companies released BIOSes which supported it - yet there are OEM B450 motherboards(B550A) which support PCI-E 4.0!
 
BigBANGtheory said:
It is a moot point you're bang on, that's why its being discussed when the pricing topic comes up regularly. It does have relevance when consumers are being ripped off by a company in a dominant market position... Say it like it is instead of trying to find justification and making excuses its all been discussed already we know and have heard it all before. Sure buy or don't buy, but don't pretend its ok outside your own mindset cos its not.
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How on earth are people getting ripped off? Is a mugger going to their house, taking them away at knifepoint/gunpoint, marching them to a PC retailer and making them buy the GPUs?

Srs, don't talk wet. If you bought one and are unhappy then simply send it back. If not? then you are just moaning. Like I have said over and over and over now, if you don't want to buy one then don't ! if you want one and can't afford it? save for one. If you don't want to do that? then get a console.

You want your moan cake and eat it man. I don't care if it's OK or not. I really, truly don't. If that was all I had to worry about I would be worried I was dead and didn't realise or something.

There are many things in life many can't afford, get over it. That is called a class system and is all part of capitalism. Now I didn't say I particularly liked it but seriously this is absolutely beyond ridiculous. Wah wah wah, this company won't give me something for next to nothing.

If you have been priced out and are unhappy about it? find another hobby. There are many out there. I wouldn't even mind if you had a decent point here and you couldn't even play the games without one of these expensive GPUs. But the fact is you absolutely and totally can.
 
TNA said:
It’s a moot point? It is the bloody whole point of what we are discussing... You seem to be hung up on people moaning and them not having to buy the top end stuff etc. Like wtf... incessantly pointing out the obvious :p:D

To paraphrase what good old Gregster once said “it is my money and I will spend it how I see fit”. If I want to moan about nvidia charging more I will, you can read or not read it. Makes no difference to me ;)
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Believe it or not, mate, many of us are here because we are excited about a new launch.

Not to grumble and gripe over how expensive they may or may not be, and this is an Ampere thread yet I see plenty whining about Turing. Funny isn't it?
 
Th0nt said:
They u-turned on it as you can update the BIOS they really should have more space on the chips.
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That has nothing to do with Ampere either, but hey I guess PCIE 4 is relevent.

When AMD came to the table with Ryzen they had a prior history (a very recent one) of knocking out cack piler CPUs that were awful. So you will have to excuse companies for not wanting to spend a ton of money on making boards for a CPU that for all they knew could have been more crap. THAT is why early boards had smaller BIOS chips on.

Now? knock yourself out man. There are loads of boards that have bigger BIOS chips on. I don't really blame AMD for that. Well, I do but I don't if that makes sense, given what I said above.

Fact is that now the tables have totally turned and there are some absolutely killer AMD boards out there, but you gotta respect companies for not going in like crazy people and taking big risks on a company who had a terrible track record for many years.
 
ALXAndy said:
Believe it or not, mate, many of us are here because we are excited about a new launch.

Not to grumble and gripe over how expensive they may or may not be, and this is an Ampere thread yet I see plenty whining about Turing. Funny isn't it?
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I do believe it, I am one of them. Looking forward to the launch :D

That said in the meantime we have seen people talk about OLED’s and bunch of other topics, so talking about Turning is not exactly that far of topic :p
 
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