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NVIDIA ‘Ampere’ 8nm Graphics Cards

beany_bot said:
Urgh... if you are all so incapable of google. Here is one example of many thousands of pages of data that are relevant.

"Nvidia suffers dismal Q4 as Turing GPU sales fail to meet expectations"
https://www.theinquirer.net/inquire...-turing-gpu-sales-failed-to-meet-expectations
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I certainly wouldn't call that a flop and from March 2019, they were selling very well according to extremetech

https://www.extremetech.com/gaming/288080-nvidia-turing-sales-revenue-up-45-percent-over-pascal

I must admit that I am a Stevedore/longshoreman as a job and not business minded, so no idea personally but your claims are coming across as a little exaggerated and based on nothing but your own thoughts again, which you then pass as fact.

Just a quick google search, I found this also.

https://hexus.net/business/news/gen...-analyst-expectations-graphics-ai-chip-sales/

If someone in the business world wants to explain it to me, I will listen.
 
Gregster said:
I certainly wouldn't call that a flop and from March 2019, they were selling very well according to extremetech

https://www.extremetech.com/gaming/288080-nvidia-turing-sales-revenue-up-45-percent-over-pascal

I must admit that I am a Stevedore/longshoreman as a job and not business minded, so no idea personally but your claims are coming across as a little exaggerated and based on nothing but your own thoughts again, which you then pass as fact.

Just a quick google search, I found this also.

https://hexus.net/business/news/gen...-analyst-expectations-graphics-ai-chip-sales/

If someone in the business world wants to explain it to me, I will listen.
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Yeah I am probably exaggerating a little as I am rather biased I'll give you that as I am not happy with Nvidia, and in particular pricing around 2000 cards. But Turing was not a sucess the same way previous gen were. Still in profit for sure (so some would say "sucessfull"). But significantly slowed growth compared to previous trends and Nvidias own shareholder forecasts.
This will be, good for consumers in the long run anyway, as Nvidia will see that, even without competition you can't just charge the earth and expect miracles. Consumers have limits and will simply not buy in the face of extreme price hikes.

Alas, I'm in for a new GPU 2020 so will be open to see what is avalible. I hope Nvidia, AMD and Intel all come out swinging.
 
Gregster said:
I certainly wouldn't call that a flop and from March 2019, they were selling very well according to extremetech

https://www.extremetech.com/gaming/288080-nvidia-turing-sales-revenue-up-45-percent-over-pascal

I must admit that I am a Stevedore/longshoreman as a job and not business minded, so no idea personally but your claims are coming across as a little exaggerated and based on nothing but your own thoughts again, which you then pass as fact.

Just a quick google search, I found this also.

https://hexus.net/business/news/gen...-analyst-expectations-graphics-ai-chip-sales/

If someone in the business world wants to explain it to me, I will listen.
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Simply put. Nvidias share price.

Would you expect a company to loose over half its value upon launching a new sucessfull family of products?

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beany_bot said:
Yeah I am probably exaggerating a little as I am rather biased I'll give you that as I am not happy with Nvidia, and in particular pricing around 2000 cards. But Turing was not a sucess the same way previous gen were. Still in profit for sure (so some would say "sucessfull"). But significantly slowed growth compared to previous trends and Nvidias own shareholder forecasts.
This will be, good for consumers in the long run anyway, as Nvidia will see that, even without competition you can't just charge the earth and expect miracles. Consumers have limits and will simply not buy in the face of extreme price hikes.

Alas, I'm in for a new GPU 2020 so will be open to see what is avalible. I hope Nvidia, AMD and Intel all come out swinging.
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:)

Pricing is mental and even I will be staving off an upgrade if the prices are even close to the 2080Ti. I have got to a stage where gaming is low priority (although, Breakpoint is keeping me playing for now) and where I had no issue spending money on my PC, I am starting to think more about what my spare cash goes on.

Also, crypto mining has had a big impact on previous gen sales apparently but again, not my skill set, so pass

PS5 2020 perhaps for me, especially if M+KB support is there.
 
TNA said:
Not a surprise to be honest. Way over priced and underwhelming in the end imo. Hopefully they will do better with the 3000 series :D
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Glad i skipped almost buying a 2070 Super tbh, looking forward to 3070 benches and might jump to the 3080 Ti later. 3070 should be a beast at 1440p though.

Hope it's a good jump in performance from previous cards.
 
Gregster said:
:)

Pricing is mental and even I will be staving off an upgrade if the prices are even close to the 2080Ti. I have got to a stage where gaming is low priority (although, Breakpoint is keeping me playing for now) and where I had no issue spending money on my PC, I am starting to think more about what my spare cash goes on.

Also, crypto mining has had a big impact on previous gen sales apparently but again, not my skill set, so pass

PS5 2020 perhaps for me, especially if M+KB support is there.
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I've mostly been playing my switch for gaming. But the news of Microsoft Flight Simulator 2020 has got me fired up again.
 
Yeah Turings not been selling well at all, as you can see by the price drops, the 2080 Ti was £1200+ on release, yet now, around a year later, its only £1200+.
 
beany_bot said:
Urgh... if you are all so incapable of google. Here is one example of many thousands of pages of data that are relevant.

"Nvidia suffers dismal Q4 as Turing GPU sales fail to meet expectations"
https://www.theinquirer.net/inquire...-turing-gpu-sales-failed-to-meet-expectations
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Q4 was some time ago, since then NVidia have been showing quarter on quarter growth even though it has not been huge. Q1 and Q2 this year have more to do with Turing than Q4 last year where they would have been launching the new tech and struggling to get cards on the shelves to meet demand.

I also think this year not many cards have been bought for mining which would effect both vendors.
 
beany_bot said:
Simply put. Nvidias share price.

Would you expect a company to loose over half its value upon launching a new sucessfull family of products?

CjOaOHA.png
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Your graph actually shows that Turing has been pretty successful. If you look at the sharp rise from 2017 to the middle of 2018, it corresponds exactly with the Bitcoin bubble. But despite the Bitcoin crash, the Share price is much higher than when Pascal launched.
 
melmac said:
Your graph actually shows that Turing has been pretty successful. If you look at the sharp rise from 2017 to the middle of 2018, it corresponds exactly with the Bitcoin bubble. But despite the Bitcoin crash, the Share price is much higher than when Pascal launched.
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It is a graph of share price. Not revenue or profit (as would be reflected with bitcoin bubble).
It is valuation of investors faith in the company. Investors did NOT like turing launch. Hence why ~half of them sold off their Nvidia shares. That's how that works.
 
beany_bot said:
It is a graph of share price. Not revenue or profit (as would be reflected with bitcoin bubble).
It is valuation of investors faith in the company. Investors did NOT like turing launch. Hence why ~half of them sold off their Nvidia shares. That's how that works.
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The graph shows share value not how many people have sold their shares.
 
TNA said:
Agreed. Nvidia lost the plot with Turing. They need to go back to Pascal pricing imo.
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They are competitive where it needs to be. No point lowering prices when there isn't any reason for them. I say this as a 1080 Ti owner who would be holding out for 3 years by the time a sensible (in terms of performance) upgrade comes along.
 
They got like 12 more months to continue with the insane prices and profits. After that they'll get rekt by next gen consoles and adjust prices.

Anyone upgrading in the next year or so is not being smart unless their gpu is completely outdated.
 
beany_bot said:
It is a graph of share price. Not revenue or profit (as would be reflected with bitcoin bubble).
It is valuation of investors faith in the company. Investors did NOT like turing launch. Hence why ~half of them sold off their Nvidia shares. That's how that works.
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Eh, the Bitcoin bubble raised the Share price, the collapse of Bitcoin lowered the share price, especially when investors learned that Nvidia still had loads of Pascal cards in stock. That's what actually happened, not your makey up thing about Turing been a financial failure.

Said investors still had enough faith in what Nvidia was selling that the Share price didn't actually fall that much, it was still at a higher price than the first year of Pascal sales. If you are going purely off the Share price, then the first year of Turing has been a lot more successful than the first year of Pascal.
 
beany_bot said:
Simply put. Nvidias share price.

Would you expect a company to loose over half its value upon launching a new sucessfull family of products?

CjOaOHA.png
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So hang on, did AMD also launch a successful new lineup of products at the exact same time!??

melmac said:
Your graph actually shows that Turing has been pretty successful. If you look at the sharp rise from 2017 to the middle of 2018, it corresponds exactly with the Bitcoin bubble. But despite the Bitcoin crash, the Share price is much higher than when Pascal launched.
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No reason to bring actual logic into the discussion. Heaps of people like to talk about Nvidia, Intel and AMD share price while having no idea what drives them.

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