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NVIDIA ‘Ampere’ 8nm Graphics Cards

chaparral said:
I hate putting big money into mobiles phone as you could drop it an hour or day later and smash it

The amount of people i see with cracked screens on there high priced mobile phones is just nuts
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i remember when the first samsung edge came out, saw someone on the bus with one within a week, it was cracked, but its only £40 a month for 2 years :D
 
jonneymendoza said:
There are many who still can afford these cards with kids and bills.

I know many in my line of work who have kids etc and still can buy 2k tech equipment easy.

They even have a ophere i think its called that takes care of the kids 24.7 while they work etc.

Basically people working in Tech/IT do make decent money.
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Must be great for a kid to be raised by some paid parent while their real parent spends 12hrs a day working then 4 hours gaming lol.
 
I know plenty of people who can afford to buy something but if there is an option for interest free always choose the interest free option.

I believe choosing the interest free option is the logical most effective choice. Where you can at the minimum at least make interest on the balance you'd keep in your savings account.
 
PureJaz said:
I know plenty of people who can afford to buy something but if there is an option for interest free always choose the interest free option.

I believe choosing the interest free option is the logical most effective choice. Where you can at the minimum at least make interest on the balance you'd keep in your savings account.
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the problem is while this is indeed a wise move, (gotta gain that half a percent) most people buy multiple things on interest free while not having the cash to start with and due to buying half a dozen items they then suddenly have no means to save for the what if's then add in HAVING to have a holiday and sky/virgin/streaming stuff, the moneys gone.
 
I dream of a 384bit 12GB 3080 Super. Look at those empty memory slots just taunting us!

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Curlyriff said:
Windows us full of bloat just to run. Don't compare W10 to a console operating system that could likely run at 2GB just fine because it really doesn't need legacy support and hundreds of extra features that W10 has to cover.

There will be happily 8-10GB of RAM just fine for the graphics in a console.
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Speaking broadly, OS's don't ever get smaller or less resource hungry, it's the opposite. We do know the PS5 reserved 2Gb of system memory for the OS but newer OS's will almost certainly require more, especially as these consoles move towards being devices that run other "apps" and have more TV features integrated, and integrated support for movement tracking, voice tracking, VR, AR etc. But I think I read somewhere that on the new Xbox the memory the GPU actually has access to is faster and is limited to 10Gb. My own conservative estimates put usage in the PS5 at absolute maximuim about 10Gb for an AAA game, because the engine of the game itself once it's running on top of the OS can easily get to 4Gb or more.

But the other really good piece of evidence is that these consoles are bringing GPUs to the table which are middle of the road for launch date, about the same amount of FP32 TFLOPs as between a 1080 and 1080Ti and these are cards that basically target 8Gb vRAM , I know the Ti is 11Gb but it never really used that vRAM, nothing in that generation of games really ever broke 8Gb and the vast majority of games were 6Gb or less. And the point is really that you pick an amount of vRAM that is appropriate for the GPU you're using, the GPUs in the consoles will crawl to 10fps long before it can use 10Gb of that memory as vRAM.

It's odd watching this thread because for a long time enthusiasts really had a good grasp of the idea of bottle-necking, that to run a game demanded different things from different pieces of hardware and the system only ran as fast as the slowest contributor. e.g a slow CPU could limit the FPS of game even when you had a monster GPU, and vice versa, you could have the most powerful CPU in the world but if you had a slow GPU you'd get a crap frame rate. There was a notion that to get the best frame rate you needed a balanced system that doesn't have a bottleneck otherwise the additional power in one area is in some sense a waste, at least for gaming. And the same really does apply for vRAM, while it's just memory at the end of the day, the assets it stores are assets that are to be fed to the GPU to produce the next frame, you cannot indefinitely stuff new assets into vRAM for the GPU to use and have the GPU magically churn out new frames without any impact to frame rate.

We saw this earlier in the thread with the texture settings for the Avengers game, apparently we're supposed to believe that increasing texture resolution would increase demands on vRAM but have absolutely no impact on the GPU what so ever, I mean that's just WRONG. This is mirrored in these arguments that say, ah yes well we use 6Gb of vRAM now for the average game now, but what about in 4 years. Completely ignoring the fact that in 4 years time the demand on the GPU will also be higher and that your powerful video card that can run everything maxed now wont be able to with AAA titles in 4 years. vRAM and GPU go hand in hand, you need as much vRAM on your card as the GPU can usefully make use of and no more. If you load up FS2020 or Avengers with a hypothetical 16Gb variant of the 3080 and you have <20fps, with your glorious 10-12Gb usage of vRAM, you're what going to play at 20fps? No of course no, you're going to drop the settings until it's playable and you ideally have 45fps or more (or whatever your personal minimum average is) and when you do that vRAM usage needed for those setting is going to drop <10Gb. And you'll have paid however much more for you additional 6Gb of GDDR6 for basically nothing.
 
So i was thinking putting together a relatively "cheap" media PC for the living room.

I am thinking a 2080ti could be sufficient for this. How much would you guys pay for a 2080ti?
 
Richdog said:
How amusingly quaint and old fashioned. Are you simply assuming that all people who pay with credit can't afford the item they are paying for? Low or no interest credit actually makes more financial sense for higher value items than paying it all out in one go.
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I think the point is that deferring any debt into the future relies on the assumption that things will carry on going as they are in the moment. Especially in these modern times you could lose your job tomorrow and if that happened you wouldn't want to have thousands of pounds of debt deferred into the future. Even with 0% interest. The stats on this are really bad, the average person cannot afford an unexpected £500 bill, people are living paycheck to paycheck and it's extremely irresponsible.

I personally keep at least £10k in savings at all times in case things go wrong, and even I'm struggling to make the painful decision of do I drop the £1400 on a 3090 or just take a 3080. The idea that someone would take £1400 in debt for a luxury item that will depreciate rapidly in value, makes me physically cringe. A really good rule of thumb I highly recommend is only ever borrow money if you're investing that into something that will give you a return in future (education, tools for business, a home, etc)
 
chroniclard said:
Still a good card but 4-500 ballpark looks to be about right
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wouldnt touch one unless it was under £400 to be honest. IF you can buy a 3070 for £470 and theres no stock issues get one of them, newer card, same performance and less power draw so should run quieter and cooler.
 
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