So should you.
Nvidia attacks PS4 hardware, calls it "low-end"
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So should you.
Well I don't see what is wrong with that statement. It is a low end GPU copmpared to what is out now and like the guy said "This has to last 5 to 10 years".
With the release of 4K TV's very soon, a PS4 and Xbox720 will look pretty shoddy on one of those IMO.
With the release of 4K TV's very soon, a PS4 and Xbox720 will look pretty shoddy on one of those IMO.
Whoopee another AMD V NVidia.
It's quite relevant though since nVidia are crying bitter tears of not getting a look in with the next gen of consoles. nVidia knows what's coming and they don't like it.
AMD has pulled their thumb out, they're putting a lot effort into developer relations, whilst nVidia's TWIMTBP programme doesn't seem to be currently active, they have all their hardware in the consoles meaning PhysX's already limited use will become even more limited.
If you can't see this as anything more than digs about nVidia it says more about those who think that. It's all relevant stuff, I'm not doom mongering about nVidia and I don't think this is going to kill them off or anything but I think it's relevant to discuss the fact that things are changing and nVidia is clearly butthurt over it.
I sort of do but, you said one thing and contradicted it in the same sentence while actually trying to say something completely different. I kind of get that you want to balance out the "AMD drivers are bad, nVidia drivers are good" thing thats commonly banded about but it doesn't help going to the completely opposite viewpoint, claiming that people claim that nVidia drivers are flawless is delusional - there may be 1-2 nutcases who try to make such a claim (and I haven't seen one of them around these forums in over 5 years now) but the vast majority of even pro-nVidia people don't. Its also pretty self evident that while both have had their problems this doesn't make them equally good or bad as each other - ATI/AMD have had a lesser track record for driver support and even AMD themselves acknowledge this as being precisely the reason behind the big push they made in the last half of 2012 to up the game in that department.
But we're talking about consoles, they're never at the pinnacle of power.
Consoles do well with the limited power they have compared to PCs.
As for the statement, it goes without saying that consoles don't match up to high end PC specs, to say it's low end is quite wrong though and very indicative of bitterness, they are very clearly unhappy with not having anything to do with consoles. They are doing the whole "it's crap and I didn't want anything to do with it anyway" routine when they can't get their own way.
It will do no harm to give Nvidia a kick back to reality and step up for things like TWIMTBP. AMD have done well securing the contracts and hopefully they will carry on with Gaming Evolved.
You do realise that PhysX is available on the PS4? albeit its not confirmed if its hardware accelerated (unlikely) and that the main 2 engines middleware developers license to build products on for console games use PhysX and ApeX as their primary physics pipeline. You should get beyond your hatred of PhysX being the main driver for claiming its going to die a death sometime "soon", good or bad theres a lot more to whether PhysX will stay relevant or not.
I think its great if AMD start dishing out some ownage to Nvidia. The state of the GPU market has become a joke. The price's are ridiculous for Graphics cards these days. Hopefully some competition will force them to start releasing stuff at reasonable prices again.
You sort of do? Now you're just being silly. You know full well I was saying that AMD doesn't have an issue with drivers that other companies don't. Everyone has issues with drivers at some point, a lot of it is PEBKAC but still.
People also don't have to say nvidia's drivers are flawless without it being obvious that they kinda think that. Most of the people who are experts on AMD drivers openly admit that they haven't used AMD hardware at all or for a long time.
AMD putting more effort into their drivers and software isn't confirmation that nVidia's better, there's no relation there at all. AMD are putting in more effort all round, it's a good thing but again has nothing to do with nVidia.
In summary you know full well that I'm saying for the most part that most people will have similar experiences with both AMD hardware.
I think it will be awhile before we see AMD pushing competitive prices tho it will probably come in the long term, they are struggling a bit for cash at the moment and having to take quite drastic steps to free up capital, in the long term tho theres quite a lot of motivation for them to return to pushing the prices down to gain market share and try to edge nVidia out. I'd be quite suprised if they aren't looking at the Titan prices and wanting a bit of that pie at the moment.
One can only hope they don't act on the "wanting"
You know full well that I know PhysX is available for the PS4. You also know full well that I'm talking about hardware PhysX, the whole point of PhysX in the first place.
I also don't hate PhysX, I hate the way nVidia use it. You even think that it's unlikely that the PS4 won't have hardware PhysX, again which is the whole appeal. If the PS4 uses hardware physics, which its hardware will support, it likely will not be PhysX, whatever they do use will likely become the standard especially now that hardware physics will be able to be used to actually change gameplay, which is the reason why PhysX is barely used as it is.
Titan prices doesn't indicate huge profit, that's not how the market works. Huge profit comes from volume sales not profit per single item sold.
Indeed but it opens the lid on pricing and there certainly hasn't been a lack of sales of Titan despite the pricing.
The statement they made about it was about how certain areas, one of which was the adherence to a monthly driver schedule, was holding back their competitiveness on the software support front. I'm not trying to turn this into AMD v nVidia, my main gripe with ATI/AMD has always been the lack of effort to push relevant technologies and to support whats really needed and the last few months have shown a real effort to change that.
The statement they made about it was about how certain areas, one of which was the adherence to a monthly driver schedule, was holding back their competitiveness on the software support front. I'm not trying to turn this into AMD v nVidia, my main gripe with ATI/AMD has always been the lack of effort to push relevant technologies and to support whats really needed and the last few months have shown a real effort to change that.
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I'm wondering what the playing field will be for nVidia in the future anyway. If AMD GPUs are in ps4 and the next xbox, I'd speculate that any ports to a PC will be optimised for AMD based graphics cards. Would nvidia have to push out substantially faster hardware to deal with that optimization issues? Could we see all PC games being ports of the console versions? It's possible, certainly cheaper for developers no? That is actually a good thing for the PC gaming market in my opinion, instead of getting shoddy console ports we'd have quality console based games across the board.
I suspect nVidia are more focused on their super computing and mobile markets, I'm not saying they are pulling back on the gaming GPU market, it's their bread and butter, but, they may be looking to let AMD take the market lead in this area while they concentrate on their other markets. Much the way AMD had to allow Intel take lead in the CPU area, while they pushed out cheaper chips (intended ha!) There was an interview with one of the nvidia execs on another website I read, stating it was too expensive for them to get involved in the next console market, simply because of a resourcing issue, i'm not inclined to believe that 100% but if that is a window into the mind of the management of nvidia, we may see a different nVidia for next generations on products and pricing.
I suspect nVidia are more focused on their super computing and mobile markets, I'm not saying they are pulling back on the gaming GPU market, it's their bread and butter, but, they may be looking to let AMD take the market lead in this area while they concentrate on their other markets. Much the way AMD had to allow Intel take lead in the CPU area, while they pushed out cheaper chips (intended ha!) There was an interview with one of the nvidia execs on another website I read, stating it was too expensive for them to get involved in the next console market, simply because of a resourcing issue, i'm not inclined to believe that 100% but if that is a window into the mind of the management of nvidia, we may see a different nVidia for next generations on products and pricing.
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