Nvidia CPU's? Nvidia is looking at a takeover bid for ARM

[HACO]

ARM to axe 15% of their staff after deal with Nvidia failed

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-60745707

This is a sad news. I'm sure Apple, Intel, AMD, Nvidia, Qualcomm and Samsung will be making a big meal out of this, taking key staff away from ARM. Less competition overall, and really bad news for Android phones in particular which rely on high-perf ARM designs.

 

[pete910]

ARM to axe 15% of their staff after deal with Nvidia failed

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-60745707

This is a sad news. I'm sure Apple, Intel, AMD, Nvidia, Qualcomm and Samsung will be making a big meal out of this, taking key staff away from ARM. Less competition overall, and really bad news for Android phones in particular which rely on high-perf ARM designs.

So does Apple and a plethora of others too.

 

[Grim5]

ARM to axe 15% of their staff after deal with Nvidia failed

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-60745707

This is a sad news. I'm sure Apple, Intel, AMD, Nvidia, Qualcomm and Samsung will be making a big meal out of this, taking key staff away from ARM. Less competition overall, and really bad news for Android phones in particular which rely on high-perf ARM designs.

I can't help but laugh

UK: Arm must stay in the UK, say NO to Nvidia deal!

ARM: Ok we stay but we have no money, so we'll just cuts hundreds and hundreds of well paid UK jobs

 

[HACO]

So does Apple and a plethora of others too.

Apple don't use ARM's core designs, they only license the ISA and make their own cores with their own microarchitecture. Embedded space is much less competitive anyway.

Android SoC's (Qualcomm, Samsung, Mediatek, Huawei) and servers (Ampere, AWS) use the ARM microarchitecture for high-performance chips and this will harm them more than anyone else. Even more so for Mediatek, Samsung and Huawei as they also rely on ARM GPUs as well.

 

[humbug]

I can't help but laugh

UK: Arm must stay in the UK, say NO to Nvidia deal!

ARM: Ok we stay but we have no money, so we'll just cuts hundreds and hundreds of well paid UK jobs

Every smart phone and tablet on earth from the last decade has an ARM chip in it, if with that kind of reach they are struggling to support 6,400 staff they are doing something very wrong.

My concern is with them wanting to float on the stock exchange, that always results in a dozen or so people taking 100's of millions of $ out of the company for their yachts and mansions, to support that they need higher margins and that's where they start laying people off.

Its greedy ###### they didn't get their payout from Nvidia so now they want it from the stock market.

 

[HACO]

Every smart phone and tablet on earth from the last decade has an ARM chip in it, if with that kind of reach they are struggling to support 6,400 staff they are doing something very wrong.

My concern is with them wanting to float on the stock exchange, that always results in a dozen or so people taking 100's of millions of $ out of the company for their yachts and mansions, to support that they need higher margins and that's where they start laying people off.

It's not just phones and tablets, every printer, modem, router, SSD controller, TV, monitor, drone, setup box, smart meters, any appliances with IoT, cars, traffic lights, game controllers, smart speakers, headphones, etc have ARM chips in them. Even Ryzen CPUs have ARM cores inside them (for handling security tasks).

Yeah. Qualcomm, Samsung and Mediatek have made billions by just licensing ARM IP and putting them into chips, often using ARM's reference SoC designs. ARM insisting they should remain a sole IP company definitely contributed to their financial troubles.

ARM should be charging more, much more. Mediatek sells the Dimensity 9000 for about $100, ARM usually gets 1-2% of the selling price, despite providing the IP for both CPU and GPU.

 

[humbug]

It's not just phones and tablets, every printer, modem, router, SSD controller, TV, monitor, drone, setup box, smart meters, any appliances with IoT, cars, traffic lights, etc have ARM chips in them. Even Ryzen CPUs have ARM cores inside them.

Yeah. Qualcomm, Samsung and Mediatek have made billions by just licensing ARM IP and putting them into chips, often using ARM's reference SoC designs. ARM insisting they should remain a sole IP company definitely contributed to their financial troubles.

ARM should be charging more, much more. Mediatek sells the Dimensity 9000 for about $100, ARM usually gets 1-2% of the selling price, despite providing the IP for both CPU and GPU.

Right, and they can, if they charge 3X as much as they do for their IP tomorrow how much is that going to hurt Apple and co? they wouldn't even notice it.

 

[HACO]

Righ, and they can, if they charge 3X as much as they do for their IP tomorrow how much is that going to hurt Apple and co? they wouldn't even notice it.

ARM's biggest customers are the likes of Apple, Samsung, AMD, Intel, Qualcomm, Mediatek, Broadcom, etc... they can all afford to pay 10x they pay now and it'd still be a rounding error for them.

 

[humbug]

ARM's biggest customers are the likes of Apple, Samsung, AMD, Intel, Qualcomm, Mediatek, Broadcom, etc... they can all afford to pay 10x they pay now and it'd still be a rounding error for them.

Yeah, i couldn't point you to it but i have heard once somewhere in the noise that all those people you listed there pay a few pennies if that per item sold with ARM IP in it.

All of these companies could easily stump up a $ per product and ARM could easily afford to support 20,000 staff.

 

[pete910]

Apple don't use ARM's core designs, they only license the ISA

Yes it is, it's still an arm based CPU.

 

[HACO]

Yes it is, it's still an arm based CPU.

Apple uses the ARM ISA (alongside their own additions) and design their own microarchitecture. Android chip makers rely completely on ARM for microarchitecture and ISA. These two are worlds apart in terms of their reliance on ARM for progress and improvements.

 

[pete910]

Apple uses the ARM ISA (alongside their own additions) and design their own microarchitecture. Android chip makers rely completely on ARM for microarchitecture and ISA. These two are worlds apart in terms of their reliance on ARM for progress and improvements.

Am not denying that they have added their own instructions ect for their needs but it's still arm based at the end of the day.

 

[HACO]

Am not denying that they have added their own instructions ect for their needs but it's still arm based at the end of the day.

Not sure what you're even trying to say. Nobody claimed they're not ARM-based (whatever vague meaning that statement has, are AMD CPUs Intel-based because they share the ISA?).

They design their own microarchitecture from scratch, so they are not reliant on ARM for performance improvements in the way Android SoCs completely are (which was my original point that you contested). So weaker ARM is far worse for those who rely on it for everything, rather than Apple which just uses the ISA. Are you seriously contesting that?

 

[pete910]

are AMD CPUs Intel-based because they share the ISA?

Yes they are, as is Intels x64 is based from AMDs

which was my original point that you contested

I never contested that, Saying that It has nothing to do with ARM is plain wrong. without ARMs base the M1 wouldn't exist. Irrelevant of what Apple had done.

 

[HACO]

Yes they are, as is Intels x64 is based from AMDs



I never contested that, Saying that It has nothing to do with ARM is plain wrong. without ARMs base the M1 wouldn't exist. Irrelevant of what Apple had done.

Never said it had nothing to do with ARM. If you're done trolling we can get back to the topic, lol.