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setter said:
From talking to any of my console owning friends, price is indeed a big factor in putting them off pc gaming. Particularly gpu costs. A decent cpu will last a good while for gaming. Sandybridge being a good example. But as games get ever more demanding the need for gpu horsepower increases along with the cost. Most also like the simplicity of consoles. They're not for me personally but I can see the attraction.
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As you have said, the problem with PCs is really to get anything capable of 1080p60 you are either going to have to do a fair amount of research and build it yourself, which includes troubleshooting stuff yourself, or paying a premium for a prebuilt one, which is still a bit of a pain to troubleshoot. It's a lot easier to take a console back to X retailer than it is to go through various steps to see what is causing your pc to not boot.

I understand entirely why someone would console game, it's just not for me though.
 
humbug said:
£200 for a middle of the line CPU and £250 for a good 1080P GPU and then all the other components you need you're looking at £1000 for a good but nothing special 1080P gaming rig.
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Hmmm, not sure I agree here. There has never been a better/cheaper time for putting together a decent computer that can happily do 1080p, £1000 would be way too much to be spending for a nothing special 1080p gaming machine.
 
The last console i owned was a Sony Play Station..

Now i can't even use the controllers for FPS, i just spend the whole game waving the gun around in the air.

@ Threepwood, ok you maybe right :) out of interest make me one up, lets see how far under £1000 you can get.
 
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humbug said:
@ Threepwood, ok you maybe right :) out of interest make me one up, lets see how far under £1000 you can get.
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YOUR BASKET
1 x HIS Radeon R9 380 IceQ X2 4096MB GDDR5 PCI-Express Graphics Card (H380QM4GD) £169.99
1 x Intel Core i5-4460 3.20GHz (Haswell) Socket LGA1150 Processor - Retail £152.98
1 x Crucial BX100 250GB SSD SATA 6Gbps 7mm Solid State Drive (CT250BX100SSD1) £68.99
1 x Gigabyte Z97P-D3 Intel Z97 (Socket 1150) DDR3 ATX Motherboard £61.99
1 x Phanteks Enthoo Pro M Midi Tower Case with Window - Black £59.99
1 x EVGA 500W 80 Plus Power Supply (100-W1-0500-KR) £36.95
1 x TeamGroup Vulcan GOLD 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 PC3-12800C9 1600MHz Dual Channel Kit (TLYED38G1600HC9DC01) £35.99
1 x Toshiba (7K1000.D) 1TB SATA 6GB/s 32MB Cache HDD - OEM (DT01ACA100) £35.99
Total : £636.36 (includes shipping : £11.25 Ex.VAT).



Wouldn't something like that be 'good enough' for 1080p?
 
humbug said:
@ Threepwood, ok you maybe right :) out of interest make me one up, lets see how far under £1000 you can get.
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Okay, but what theoretical games would you be playing on it? :P

And we are talking only the base unit and peripherals right? Not a monitor, as a console would need one too?


YOUR BASKET
1 x Gigabyte Z97X-SLI - Devils Canyon Core i5 4690K Bundle **12 Saving** £277.98
1 x Sapphire Radeon R9 Nitro 380 4096MB GDDR5 PCI-Express Graphics Card (11242-07-20G) £179.99
1 x SuperFlower Golden Green HX 550W "80 Plus Gold" Power Supply - Black £59.99
1 x Kingston 120GB SSDNow V300 Drive SATA 6Gb/s 3 2.5" (7mm height) Solid State Hard Drive - (SV300S37A/120G) £37.99
1 x TeamGroup Vulcan RED 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 PC3-12800C9 1600MHz Dual Channel Kit (TLRED38G1600HC9DC01) £35.99
1 x Aerocool V3X Advance Evil Black Edition Midi-Tower - Black/Orange £23.99
Total : £630.02 (includes shipping : £11.75 Ex.VAT).



Install with USB stick, obviously.


And this is new, if you have anything laying around (which I admit, a newbie won't) things become much cheaper, all my kids computers cost very little, thanks to componant hand me downs.
 
Threepwood said:
Okay, but what theoretical games would you be playing on it? :P

And we are talking only the base unit and peripherals right? Not a monitor, as a console would need one too?


YOUR BASKET
1 x Gigabyte Z97X-SLI - Devils Canyon Core i5 4690K Bundle **12 Saving** £277.98
1 x Sapphire Radeon R9 Nitro 380 4096MB GDDR5 PCI-Express Graphics Card (11242-07-20G) £179.99
1 x SuperFlower Golden Green HX 550W "80 Plus Gold" Power Supply - Black £59.99
1 x Kingston 120GB SSDNow V300 Drive SATA 6Gb/s 3 2.5" (7mm height) Solid State Hard Drive - (SV300S37A/120G) £37.99
1 x TeamGroup Vulcan RED 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 PC3-12800C9 1600MHz Dual Channel Kit (TLRED38G1600HC9DC01) £35.99
1 x Aerocool V3X Advance Evil Black Edition Midi-Tower - Black/Orange £23.99
Total : £630.02 (includes shipping : £11.75 Ex.VAT).



Install with USB stick, obviously.
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Add on £100 for Windows; £50 for keyboard, mouse, controller.

And that spec isn't going to blow a console out of the water, either.
 
What's wrong with buying Windows from Key selling sites? Can pick them up for <£20 usually, however I'm not sure if they're as trustworthy as their games.

Speaking of key selling sites, you should also factor in how much AAA games cost on PC compared to consoles, too. As well as no £30/year subscription cost to use Steam, etc.

But the ease of consoles is still there.
 
FoxEye said:
Add on £100 for Windows; £50 for keyboard, mouse, controller.

And that spec isn't going to blow a console out of the water, either.
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Meh, K/B and mouse bundles can be had for sub £40, and a win 7 key can be had for sub £20, it is still a pc for less than £700... and it is not meant to blow a console out of the water....its meant to be a nothing special 1080p machine... which to be frank, I would rather have than an xbone or a ps4.
 
Joe! said:
Speaking of key selling sites, you should also factor in how much AAA games cost on PC compared to consoles, too. As well as no £30/year subscription cost to use Steam, etc.

But the ease of consoles is still there.
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However you can re-sell your console games, whereas you can't re-sell a Steam game.

Also, Steam sales are nowhere near as cheap as they used to be. And if you buy outside of sales, Steam can be more expensive than buying a console game brand new (sadly).

Also you really don't want to be buying Win7 new a new build. It may still be a good OS, but everything new and innovate from this point onwards (like DX12) is going to be Win10 only.
 
FoxEye said:
However you can re-sell your console games, whereas you can't re-sell a Steam game.

Also, Steam sales are nowhere near as cheap as they used to be. And if you buy outside of sales, Steam can be more expensive than buying a console game brand new (sadly).
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True, I forgot about that; and I wasn't on about Steam sales. Key selling sites are a blessing, and hugely popular.

If you buy Win7 you can still upgrade to Win10, same with 8/8.1, it just becomes a choice of which key you can get for cheapest. ** No competitor links **
 
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I hope you guys mean it this time... because it's been said before, and it never happened :/
 
The problem with the US Patent Office is that patents have gotten so complex and technical, that they seem to grant all patents and leave the courts to sort it out later. This means instead of the small inventor being able to make a living and innovate products whilst being protected against large predatory companies with more money, the patent system has become a weapon for big companies to use against each other as a commercial tool to slow down or beat your competitors. Small inventors are simply steamrollered by massive teams of lawyers in favour of large corporations who can simply out spend them in court.
 
FoxEye said:
I feel it's unfair to use such a time-limited offer to compare PC gaming with console gaming.

MS doesn't normally give Windows away free. *Ahem*
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Pfft.

Then it would be unfair to even include an OS in the price...Because you can install windows and use it for free anyway, not talking piracy (which is hardily uncommon) I'm talking installing and using for the free 3 month period, then reinstalling.

So lets take off the £20 and make it a £650 computer.
 
@ Joe! and Threepwood, that is pretty good but a 380 is already not a great 1080P GPU, you would have to knock down the settings to maintain 60+ FPS in a lot of games so it not future proof.

Add £100 for a 390/970, £150 for Windows and peripherals and your upto £900, this is also assuming you want to use your TV screen.

Good tho, point sort of taken :)
 
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