Nvidia DX11 not important.

[BIGBC]

yes indeed
They have made a comment about CPU/gaming performace = little benefit.
Was on one of the earlier threads, but cba looking for it now

No, they didnt. They said that the current power of CPUs mean that upgrading them would provide very little benefit in games. Instead upgrading the GPU is a better place to spend your money.

Honestly, DirectX means very little to me atm. Was gaming in XP 32bit with DX9 for years, tried Vista 64 with DX10 and there wasnt much of a noticeable difference. Now im in W7 64bit with DX10 there is still very little noticeable difference.

My 9800GX2 still handles all games very well giving GTX275 like performance. Granted it has some flaws but it still performs very well. From my experience the current nVidia cards of the same price bracket just edge out the ATi cards by a little margin. Never seen the need for GTX285 or GTX295's though. A 4890/GTX275 will plough through any game at a solid resolution quite happily.

Unless ATi come out with something amazing that I feel I cant live without in the 58##'s then I will be waiting to see what nVidia can muster, and then buying the best for my money out of the two.

GPU manufacturer bashing is like the nerdy form of racism. Get over yourselves

 

[AMG]

Nvidia throwing a hissy fit again cos they are not the first to think about it, need alone the first to get a prototype card working, althrough thats not thier fault

so they come up with propagda so people don't buy the new tech

 

[chaparral]

Is this the best that nvidia can come up with against ATI new DX11 cards

Next thing they be telling us how a green PCB can make a GPU card faster then using a red PCB...

 

[Mr Paul]

But it can....right?

 

[madindehead]

To be fair to Nvidia for now, there aren't a lot of titles that use DX11 currently. And even then, a lot of games will have options to use DX10 or 9. To begin with, DX11 games won't be that much trouble for DX10 cards.

 

[fizzle-187]

Yeah, more DX11 titles should be released next year. Wonder when the new crysis comes out.

 

[jigger]

where did the nvidia guy say that? did you even read the article? i agree with what he said. its trendy these days to bash nvidia. come on people join the bandwagon throw your panties in the air and cheer for ati like little girls

Its not Nvidia bashing, its just more people have grounds to point out how much the company sucks

If ATI was run like Nvidia the situation would be the same.

 

[RizlaKing]

Nvidia bashing for me is when people attack them for no reason or lies not when nvidia hand out the ammunition boxes for people to fire at them which lately they do all too often. If nvidia were the first ones to have a dx11 card you can bet your life they would be showing a completely different attitude to what they now saying. So i am taking no notice of it at all and certainly won't put me off buying a 5 series or wait till whenever for nvidia to get a competing part out.

 

[LoadsaMoney]

lol... first they say CPU power is irrelevant to the performance and now they are taking a swipe at DX11... what next? Price being irrelevant? So people should blindly pay for their crazy blow up price cards?

They were right, i went from a Dual Core to an i7 (keeping the same gfx card), and i got no boost at all, GTA IV went from a 33 average to 67 (at the same detail settings), so i ramped it all to the hilt and now averaging around 60 (which is more than the 33 i was getting before at lower settings), and even Crysis got a huge boost, had to run that before all high, now running it Dx10 everything Very High (except Post Processing on High), and even thats running much faster than the lower settings on the Dualy, i should have just upgraded me card

 

[kylew]

where did the nvidia guy say that? did you even read the article? i agree with what he said. its trendy these days to bash nvidia. come on people join the bandwagon throw your panties in the air and cheer for ati like little girls

Funnily enough, ATi hadn't been mentioned until you mentioned them yourself.

Tell me something Duran, where does the correlation between 'bashing' nVidia and being an 'ATi cheerleader' come from?

As far as most people are concerned, disliking golden wonder crisps doesn't make anyone a walkers fanboy...

 

[kylew]

Nvidia bashing for me is when people attack them for no reason or lies not when nvidia hand out the ammunition boxes for people to fire at them which lately they do all too often. If nvidia were the first ones to have a dx11 card you can bet your life they would be showing a completely different attitude to what they now saying. So i am taking no notice of it at all and certainly won't put me off buying a 5 series or wait till whenever for nvidia to get a competing part out.

Thank you. I don't understand why people call others fanboys when bashing one company but not even making reference to an other.

Come on, anyone who thinks nVidia doesn't deserve all the flak they've been getting lately is completely delusional.

 

[Rroff]

Its one thing to bash nVidia... another to stick it to them at every opportunity justified or not... the latter rather strongly suggests either an ATI cheerleader or someone with an irrational hatred of nVidia...

 

[kylew]

Its one thing to bash nVidia... another to stick it to them at every opportunity justified or not... the latter rather strongly suggests either an ATI cheerleader or someone with an irrational hatred of nVidia...

If it's justified, where's the issue?

You moan about ATi as much as you can, yet claim to have no irrational hatred of them, so what's your excuse?

nVidia have been shooting themselves in the foot a lot lately, and we, as consumers have the right to express opinions over them.

 

[Rroff]

Where have I ever claimed I have no irrational hatred of ATI?

Slightly off topic but if anyone bothered to take a count of all my posts over the last couple of months or so you'd see I have been pretty much equally praising and scathing of both sides... tho I'm not gonna hide behind any pretence of neutrality.

 

[kylew]

Where have I ever claimed I have no irrational hatred of ATI?

Well do you? As I would have thought it would go without saying in your case.

 

[james.miller]

what they have said about dx11 is is correct, as it was for dx10 even if they did have the first cards out. just think about it for a second, why buy a dx11 card when there arent any games out? because its naturally faster in dx10 (im talking top end hardware). Right so if thats the case, what does it say about dx11? not a lot.

Back when us guys picked up our shiny 8800gtx's there were no dx10 titles around, and still weren't for quite a while afterwards. That didnt bother us, they were the quickest cards buy a country mile. i did NOT buy that card for dx10, just like i wouldnt buy a top end card for dx11 on it's release. It would be the card i bought after that that i would consider dx11 with.

Duran is correct and.....ergh....so is Rroff.

They were right, i went from a Dual Core to an i7 (keeping the same gfx card), and i got no boost at all, GTA IV went from a 33 average to 67 (at the same detail settings), so i ramped it all to the hilt and now averaging around 60 (which is more than the 33 i was getting before at lower settings), and even Crysis got a huge boost, had to run that before all high, now running it Dx10 everything Very High (except Post Processing on High), and even thats running much faster than the lower settings on the Dualy, i should have just upgraded me card

Thank goodness you got a boost in those two amazingly cpu-bound (well, more so gta) games then. totally worth it

 

[JediFragger]

Wow, desperate

 

[Lightnix]

I have to say Nvidia are actually sort of right. I mean, they're only saying it because they don't have any cards ready, otherwise they'd be hyping DX11 up like there's no tomorrow, but as you say there won't instantly be DX11 games. Although unlike with DX10, in the same timeframe, there are actually a couple coming out within the same year of release (DiRT 2, Battleforge update, STALKER: CoP). That said, it will be interesting to see what the actual affects of similarly performing DX10 and DX11 cards will be in those titles both performance and feature wise.

Edit: Basically what I'm saying is they're only being honest because it's convenient.

 

[Rroff]

This is gonna put developers in a sticky position... I know a good few are very interested in the multi-thread capabilities in DX11 even if they aren't interested in the rest of the features (HINT: I'm not saying theres no value to the rest of the features) ... but they aren't gonna start implementing features that lock out 60+% of their market...

People are gonna derride me for saying it... but right now with the balance of GPU spread DX11 is no more or less gimmicky than physx is :S with ~25% of the gaming audience having fully DX10+ systems and nVidia at more than 60% market penetration and ATI less than 30% - even with a good take up of the 5800 series it would be commercial suicide to develop a game with anything other than incidental DX11 features or even good use of DX10... unless heavily subsidised by ATI or MS.

 

[kylew]

I have to say Nvidia are actually sort of right. I mean, they're only saying it because they don't have any cards ready, otherwise they'd be hyping DX11 up like there's no tomorrow, but as you say there won't instantly be DX11 games. Although unlike with DX10, in the same timeframe, there are actually a couple coming out within the same year of release (DiRT 2, Battleforge update, STALKER: CoP). That said, it will be interesting to see what the actual affects of similarly performing DX10 and DX11 cards will be in those titles both performance and feature wise.

Edit: Basically what I'm saying is they're only being honest because it's convenient.

It's not what they're saying, it's why they're saying it.

Anyone with common sense knows that DX11 is technically pointless at this point in time.

Of course it is, there's no DX11 hardware to buy, and no DX11 software to buy.

It goes without saying really.

Why they're saying it though, basically, they think DX11 will be important once they have hardware out for it.

It's kinda like a self fulfilling prophecy, if they never brought out DX11 hardware, then it would gimp what DX11 would become.

So until there's a load of DX11 hardware out, it's merely a new and upcoming technology.