Nvidia fan thinking of turning

pgi947 · 3 Sep 2012 at 22:01

majnu said:
I'm being a bit silly, I know the 670 overclocks , it's just that I've not seen any user benches which show the 7950 overclocked to contend with the 670. If there was a thread similar to the 7850 I may believe you all.

Can't remember where, but I did see some benches comparing massively overclocked 660Ti/670/7950.

It was neck and neck with the 7950 and 670, but with the clocks they used (~1200mhz on 7950 ~1320mhz on 670) you are far more likely to hit those on the 7950, its very marginal on what 670's will hit a good 1300mhz+ clock and even those that do tend to be the higher end cards (windforce, FTW etc...)

Rusty0611 · 3 Sep 2012 at 22:15

pgi947 said:
Can't remember where, but I did see some benches comparing massively overclocked 660Ti/670/7950.

It was neck and neck with the 7950 and 670, but with the clocks they used (~1200mhz on 7950 ~1320mhz on 670) you are far more likely to hit those on the 7950, its very marginal on what 670's will hit a good 1300mhz+ clock and even those that do tend to be the higher end cards (windforce, FTW etc...)

They barely clocked the memory though. That review was pretty rubbish. (all round)

spoffle · 3 Sep 2012 at 22:16

Rusty0611 said:
They barely clocked the memory though. That review was pretty rubbish. (all round)

Oh, of course it was, worst review ever.

Rusty0611 · 3 Sep 2012 at 22:22

spoffle said:
Oh, of course it was, worst review ever.

All right mate put your stiffy away

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Before you fly off the handle like normal I don't disagree that the card to get at the current price point is the 7950.

I just despise the "this review is the best!" comments going around recently regarding that HardOCP review.

RogerMesenseless · 3 Sep 2012 at 22:22

I'd go for a 7950 at the current prices. Seems like a lot of people will be going this way until NVidia drop their prices

spoffle · 3 Sep 2012 at 22:23

I don't think you know what "fly off the handle" actually means.

Rusty0611 · 3 Sep 2012 at 22:24

I think it was quite apt and was quite clearly tongue in cheek colon P

Hybridtheory · 3 Sep 2012 at 22:26

Anyone know if you still get the free games with the 7950's or do you have to order before 30th August 2012 ??

Twirlywoos · 3 Sep 2012 at 22:55

TheRealDeal said:
At the same clock speeds of a 7970 the 7950 is only 3-5% slower. It stands to reason that as the 7970 is faster than a gtx670 then the 7950 can match a gtx670 when both are overclocked. There's really not much between 7950/70 gtx670/680 when you overclock them to the full.

In theory everything sounds nice but when it comes down to practice you'll find things aren't so rosey.

pgi947 said:
Can't remember where, but I did see some benches comparing massively overclocked 660Ti/670/7950.

It was neck and neck with the 7950 and 670, but with the clocks they used (~1200mhz on 7950 ~1320mhz on 670) you are far more likely to hit those on the 7950, its very marginal on what 670's will hit a good 1300mhz+ clock and even those that do tend to be the higher end cards (windforce, FTW etc...)

Didn't I say don't mention the Hardocp review lol Why do people take that as gospel?
Anyway with all the members jumping on the 7950 bandwagon recently let's see if these fabulous overclocks; low noise and practical gaming performance is comparable to the 670.

The ball is in the AMD court.

Cutshaw · 3 Sep 2012 at 22:59

Hybridtheory said:
Anyone know if you still get the free games with the 7950's or do you have to order before 30th August 2012 ??

The 30th was just the start of the Sleeping Dogs deal, the store page still lists all the games. CoD, Nexuis, Sleeping Dogs, Dirt.

andybird123 · 3 Sep 2012 at 23:29

As amusing as the whole amd vs nvidia argument is... the OP has already said he has nvidia 3d kit... so binning that to go AMD will be a bitter pill... for the sake of saving a few quid to get a 7950 i would just get a 670...

tommybhoy · 3 Sep 2012 at 23:33

^
This,

he possibly won't like the switch either.

majnu said:
Didn't I say don't mention the Hardocp review lol Why do people take that as gospel?

Twofold, there' s not many voltage clocked 7950 reviews v's oc'd 6 series gpus, reviews tend to oc just the gpu the article is about and also because [H] are sponsored by galaxy(KFA2).

spoffle · 3 Sep 2012 at 23:49

HardOCP hardly let their sponsorship dictate their benchmark results though.

They're very vocal when they have something to complain about, whether that's AMD or nVidia related.

humbug · 4 Sep 2012 at 01:50

GTX 670 OC vs 7950 OC

http://www.hardocp.com/article/2012/08/23/galaxy_gtx_660_ti_gc_oc_vs_670_hd_7950/3

Sorry anyone who doesn't like it.... but it is what it is

The latest review on the latest drivers.

Kaapstad · 4 Sep 2012 at 02:53

andybird123 said:
As amusing as the whole amd vs nvidia argument is... the OP has already said he has nvidia 3d kit... so binning that to go AMD will be a bitter pill... for the sake of saving a few quid to get a 7950 i would just get a 670...

+1

Rusty0611 · 4 Sep 2012 at 07:54

pgi947 said:
I never noticed they didn't clock the memory, which is a shame as both platforms clock well on the memory.

Maybe we should start our own benchmarks over certain games, would give us a genuine performance scale to look at

I know.

While the review is useful it does amuse me to see humbug basically trolling, posting it in every thread he sets his eyes on as the be all and end all of all reviews.

I don't know why the memory isn't overclocked in that review. The 660Ti was overclocked.

All it means is that the reviews results can't really be taken at face value which is what is happening sometimes on here because people presumably believe everything they read without inspecting further.

If they had clocked the memory (and I'm speculating now of course) I would imagine the 670 would have been around 5% faster which was pretty much the agreed difference anyway.

Whether that 5% difference in real terms is worth it is obviously subjective and down to the person buying. But as the OP has already forked out for a 3D Vision Kit the 670 is the better option for him I feel.

psychodil · 4 Sep 2012 at 09:02

It is probably the best review we have for comparisons as its the only one I've seen which runs both cards at a reasonable overclock and with the latest drivers. Its certainly more useful than people quoting the anandtech comparison where the AMD cards are running cat 12.3.

I agree the memory over clock on the 670 is low, but that's not going to make a massive difference overall. The most important thing I think you can take from the review is the performance is pretty much level pegging with the 670 with the latest drivers, and that when both cards have a sensible over clock, performance is within 5% of each other depending on average.

pgi947 · 4 Sep 2012 at 09:05

Agreed, 3dvison he needs nvidia so another vote for the 670, still a good card for its price.

Fancy starting an oc benchmarks thread rusty? All at reasonable clocks over the latest games, I'd be happy to put some 7970 results in and I'm sure we wouldn't have any bother getting some 7950/670 owners to chip in too

Edit: in unigine a high memory oc on a 670 nearly gave as much fps increase as a high core oc...

LtMatt · 4 Sep 2012 at 09:22

Perhaps that 670 didn't allow for overclocking on the memory Rusty, you never know.

Rusty0611 · 4 Sep 2012 at 09:25

pgi947 said:
Agreed, 3dvison he needs nvidia so another vote for the 670, still a good card for its price.

Fancy starting an oc benchmarks thread rusty? All at reasonable clocks over the latest games, I'd be happy to put some 7970 results in and I'm sure we wouldn't have any bother getting some 7950/670 owners to chip in too

I don't have the time to police it - I have too much VRAM scaring to pour water on

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psychodil said:
I agree the memory over clock on the 670 is low, but that's not going to make a massive difference overall. The most important thing I think you can take from the review is the performance is pretty much level pegging with the 670 with the latest drivers, and that when both cards have a sensible over clock, performance is within 5% of each other depending on average.

pgi947 said:
Edit: in unigine a high memory oc on a 670 nearly gave as much fps increase as a high core oc...

Indeed.

Psychodil: this is why the review is half decent it's no more than that. I don't see it any better than any of the other reviews. It's just more recent and the only one.

With a proper memory overclock I think the results would fall in line with what previous observations have shown.

I don't think you can take anything from the review really with that level of overclock. Like Matt said it might not have gone that high that still doesn't detract from the point.

What the review shows is at those settings they're level. It isn't really intellectually acceptable as an argument to generalise from that - with the memory overclock issue there - that the cards are truly level.