nVidia G-Sync Q&A with Tom Peterson

[shankly1985]

You are not really asking questions though are you? You are trying to downplay something that a few of us are looking forward to and with zero intention of ever buying a G-Sync monitor. I am sure freesync will be just as good and there are numerous freesync threads where you won't look like you are trolling if you have questions. G-Sync is here and now and people have told you that they don't notice lag but you skip over those and then come out with another daft statement.

I also appreciate that a forum is for discussions and welcome your input but read what people are typing to stop yourself looking silly (no offence).

How am I trolling? show me where I am trolling? I am talking about the effects you can get in games by one capping the frame rate and two syncing the frame rate.

How this effects Hit detection and latency. Trolling lol more like you trolling me by saying am trolling.

 

[shankly1985]

Noticed this today in rather dramatic fashion. Seeing fps drops into the low 40's on sli 780's. Running without vsync or fps cap.

Good to see you also had this. Can I ask you do you notice a different between a uncapped frame rate and a capped frame rate? sync or no sync also.

For me Hit detection is much better, things feel better and smoother when the frame rate is not capped.

 

[setter]

Ive yet to try bf4 with frame rate capped/vsync on, the game is once again having one of it's hissy fits to the point it's barely playable.

 

[MatsyLR]

Wtb - 30 inch 1440p AMVA GYSNC monitor.
I can dream cant I?

 

[Rusty0611]

For goodness sake spare us the illiterate rambling and keep the thread on topic.

 

[LtMatt]

Ive yet to try bf4 with frame rate capped/vsync on, the game is once again having one of it's hissy fits to the point it's barely playable.

Lol, i see your Indian summer is over then mate. I'm going to have a few games tonight, hoping it's ok.

 

[Gregster]

How am I trolling? show me where I am trolling? I am talking about the effects you can get in games by one capping the frame rate and two syncing the frame rate.

How this effects Hit detection and latency. Trolling lol more like you trolling me by saying am trolling.

Who said you have to cap the frames? G-Sync adds 7ms to frames that are above the refresh rate of the monitor and blurbusters found that CS:Go had a bug where the lag was quite high, so for that game, turn G-Sync off if you are a pro player surely?

For people like me who are average players, I would cap the game at 130 and suffer the massive lag of 7ms. I would play all the others with G-Sync on, as I would sooner have smooth gameplay over stuttering and tearing. This has been said in this thread several times, there is people who are using G-Sync and very happy. These are the people I pay attention to and not someone who has zero interest in this tech tbh.

I don't see much point in discussing this with people who have no intention of getting this tech if I am honest, so for the sake of the thread, I will concentrate on people who are interested in getting it or have genuine questions.

 

[shankly1985]

Who said you have to cap the frames? G-Sync adds 7ms to frames that are above the refresh rate of the monitor and blurbusters found that CS:Go had a bug where the lag was quite high, so for that game, turn G-Sync off if you are a pro player surely?

For people like me who are average players, I would cap the game at 130 and suffer the massive lag of 7ms. I would play all the others with G-Sync on, as I would sooner have smooth gameplay over stuttering and tearing. This has been said in this thread several times, there is people who are using G-Sync and very happy. These are the people I pay attention to and not someone who has zero interest in this tech tbh.

I don't see much point in discussing this with people who have no intention of getting this tech if I am honest, so for the sake of the thread, I will concentrate on people who are interested in getting it or have genuine questions.

Again your mixing up input lag for server lag. my god Capping or syncing your frame rate effects your Hit detection and Latency to the gaming server.

Forget about INPUT lag

For goodness sake spare us the illiterate rambling and keep the thread on topic.

Agree am out here, said what I need to say. Sync free gaming FTW simple as.

Trolling lol dont make me laugh Greg, cant even have a discussion in here with out getting called a troll.

 

[Ian Evey]

Good to see you also had this. Can I ask you do you notice a different between a uncapped frame rate and a capped frame rate? sync or no sync also.

For me Hit detection is much better, things feel better and smoother when the frame rate is not capped.

Ive yet to try bf4 with frame rate capped/vsync on, the game is once again having one of it's hissy fits to the point it's barely playable.

I have tried vsync off no frame rate cap, Vsync on and no frame rate cap, vsync on and 56/57/58/59/60 frame rate cap, but the best is no vync and 60 fps frame rate cap, You get 0 input lag yet no tearing ( to my eyes ) like you do with no frame rate cap on a 60hz monitor.

I want a 1440 monitor and gsync but i wont pay for the ROG so i will wait to see what happens.

1080p gsync would be nice at 120hz but meh, i am happy enough with my gaming experience on bf4 and seen as i dont play it unless its with the nice MLG folk. It does not really bother me on other games at all.

 

[andybird123]

Everyone gets what you are saying shank, no need to keep spamming it over and over

Tldr; shank plays mostly just CSGO and gsync isnt his preferred method of doing so because he likes to let it run at 300fps

For every other game that isnt CSGO, people might like actually be interested in gsync, in this gsync (not CSGO) thread, why not just start a CSGO optimisation thread in the gaming section if that is mainly what you want to talk about

 

[shankly1985]

I have tried vsync off no frame rate cap, Vsync on and no frame rate cap, vsync on and 56/57/58/59/60 frame rate cap, but the best is no vync and 60 fps frame rate cap, You get 0 input lag yet no tearing ( to my eyes ) like you do with no frame rate cap on a 60hz monitor.

I want a 1440 monitor and gsync but i wont pay for the ROG so i will wait to see what happens.

1080p gsync would be nice at 120hz but meh, i am happy enough with my gaming experience on bf4 and seen as i dont play it unless its with the nice MLG folk. It does not really bother me on other games at all.

You should have no input lag because you removed the Vsync. I guess you still playing on 60hz reason for capping at 60fps? have you tried not capping? while screen tear will be much worst I bet you feel a great improvement in server latency. One great thing about 120hz it hinds the screen tear a lot more vs 60hz while it sure is still there, like yourself you just dont notice it unless you look for it.

Even on CSGO @300fps you think screen tear would be a lot true is I still dont even notice it.

 

[setter]

It's something ill be looking into myself very soon as a new monitor is my next planned upgrade. Unfortunately the choice is limited at present. 4k is too much for my cards i suspect, ideally id like something at 1440p, 27" and less price than the swift. 1080p would just be pointless for me tbh.

 

[shankly1985]

Everyone gets what you are saying shank, no need to keep spamming it over and over

Tldr; shank plays mostly just CSGO and gsync isnt his preferred method of doing so because he likes to let it run at 300fps

For every other game that isnt CSGO, people might like actually be interested in gsync, in this gsync (not CSGO) thread, why not just start a CSGO optimisation thread in the gaming section if that is mainly what you want to talk about

Yeah but like I have said I also notice the difference with Battlefield. Unlike CSGO we have hard proof that capping is bad. On Battlefield its more my word against everyone else unless it gets tested. What I do know is on BF4 your frame rate is linked to the server.

It's something ill be looking into myself very soon as a new monitor is my next planned upgrade. Unfortunately the choice is limited at present. 4k is too much for my cards i suspect, ideally id like something at 1440p, 27" and less price than the swift. 1080p would just be pointless for me tbh.

Yeah 1080p is old school now. I want what ever 1440p or 1600p 120hz or 144hz display with freesync enabled what ever comes first. and hopefully at a price point around £500 also looks like i'll be leaving 24" seeing 1440p is 27"

Means getting used to new mouse input all over again.

 

[setter]

Heres a few benches i ran lately using FRAPS. First on a very smooth lag free cq 64 server.

Frames, Time (ms), Min, Max, Avg
87290, 600000, 91, 201, 145.483

Now this one from a tdm server, again a 64 player match. But tdm is nowhere near as demanding as cq with all the stuff that go's on in it. This one was a lag fest.

Frames, Time (ms), Min, Max, Avg
58363, 600000, 54, 212, 97.272

Quite a sizeable drop in fps due to latency/connection to the server. I actually had to check that sli was still enabled as the above is close to what a single card got.

 

[andybird123]

So gsync is bad because CSGO, but you will be buying a freesync monitor regardless?
Double standards much

 

[Gregster]

It's something ill be looking into myself very soon as a new monitor is my next planned upgrade. Unfortunately the choice is limited at present. 4k is too much for my cards i suspect, ideally id like something at 1440p, 27" and less price than the swift. 1080p would just be pointless for me tbh.

The ROG is too rich for my blood but having gamed at 4K, that is where I have my wanting and G-Sync is the icing on the cake. Maybe another Titan as well for some longevity could be on the cards (pun intended).

I am sure that more and more choice will sort out prices and like Tom said, the monitor manufacturers are cashing in as well as the retailers on this.

 

[shankly1985]

So gsync is bad because CSGO, but you will be buying a freesync monitor regardless?
Double standards much

No I really do want to try it myself. I said the other week when the ROG came out if it was around £500 I would have bought one.

I just want a 1440p 144hz display around £500 or lower I be happy. So I have no choice but to wait. Also hoping for 24" not 27" but I think am out luck here

 

[jh30uk]

4K was pushed out early to fill a void as nothing was happening in the monitor market (ROG is still a 2560x1440p monitor so nothing new on that side).

Too much horsepower (2 ideally 3 high end GPU's) needed for a lot of games and even more power for new games to come, probably 2 Gens away from 4k and decent monitors which should cost £1000+today, not these cheaper TN some with issues.

I should have my ROG by 31st Aug (1 week) and its just over 6 Tons (hope you get what I mean).

 

[setter]

The ROG is too rich for my blood but having gamed at 4K, that is where I have my wanting and G-Sync is the icing on the cake. Maybe another Titan as well for some longevity could be on the cards (pun intended).

I am sure that more and more choice will sort out prices and like Tom said, the monitor manufacturers are cashing in as well as the retailers on this.

Yep, seems that once you stick ROG on a product, the price go's astronomical, (looks at mobo in sig). When you get your 4k gsync screen in mate, ill be interested in seeing your results, particularly if you could test at 1440p. Your titans will run a bit higher than my 780's but it should give me an idea. Iirc pgi has gone for the swift and his system is very similair to mine.

 

[pgi947]

I dropped ideas for the swift when they decided to rape my wallet on the basis I live in the UK

Fortunately about 2 days after the ROG was put up for pre-order....so was the Acer 4K, so, like greg, I'm sat patiently waiting for a dispatch email from OcUK on my Acer 4K

The things I am going to test quite a bit with the Acer is how well it performs at its reported 1080/120hz and 1440/???hz