Nvidia GameWorks teams up with Ubisoft for Assassin’s Creed Unity, Far Cry 4, Tom Clancy’s The Divis

Gregster · 9 Jun 2014 at 14:50

LtMatt said:
FXAA does not need optimising, its a post process effect afaik.

Yer it is and it was probably AMD not optimising so well in the rest of the GameWorks libraries. Remember that Warner Montreal refused AMD any code for Batman AO and this could be the reason. It doesn't explain why the gap is closed so much when MSAA is used either (even though MSAA is better on AMD HW). The fact remains that MSAA is the best looking and FXAA is nVidia's own tech (Like MLAA is AMD's but nVidia didn't close it off unlike AMD did) -

Just sayin

Gregster · 9 Jun 2014 at 14:54

You can also switch off AA (of any kind) in Batman Arkham Origins btw. Choices for me are MSAA - FXAA - TXAA.

TheRealDeal · 9 Jun 2014 at 14:57

Its not a problem for those that have high end systems and would use MSAA. Where this hurts AMD owners is the mid and low end who might choose to use FXAA as in all other games it costs a few percent where as here its costing way more performance than it should. If this was not strange in the slightest it would not have been highlighted.

Gregster · 9 Jun 2014 at 15:02

TheRealDeal said:
Its not a problem for those that have high end systems and would use MSAA. Where this hurts AMD owners is the mid and low end who might choose to use FXAA as in all other games it costs a few percent where as here its costing way more performance than it should. If this was not strange in the slightest it would not have been highlighted.

But whose fault is it? nVidia's for releasing GameWorks? AMD's for not getting a licence? Warner Brothers Montreal for being sloppy and refusing code from AMD?

I would also like to point out that Batman AO is fantastic but is full of bugs. I reported to Warner Brothers the problem I had was a main character missing from the game whom I had to beat up and interrogate. Their answer was "We are not fixing those bugs, as we are working on the DLC"

Maybe the problem lies with them, as clearly they had no interest except to get more cash from us.

TheRealDeal · 9 Jun 2014 at 15:09

Gregster said:
But whose fault is it? nVidia's for releasing GameWorks? AMD's for not getting a licence? Warner Brothers Montreal for being sloppy and refusing code from AMD?

I would also like to point out that Batman AO is fantastic but is full of bugs. I reported to Warner Brothers the problem I had was a main character missing from the game whom I had to beat up and interrogate. Their answer was "We are not fixing those bugs, as we are working on the DLC"

Maybe the problem lies with them, as clearly they had no interest except to get more cash from us.

That's the million dollar question tbh but either way it's suspicious to say the least especially on a feature that works well in every other game it's used in.

oldestgregg · 9 Jun 2014 at 15:11

LtMatt said:
I can't the FXAA is blurring it.

ROFLcopter. I think the bigger point is why use FXAA when its a blurry mess regardless of performance

TheRealDeal · 9 Jun 2014 at 15:14

oldestgregg said:
ROFLcopter. I think the bigger point is why use FXAA when its a blurry mess regardless of performance

Some would rather A little blur over Jaggies. Fxaa does a pretty good job at getting rid of Jaggies. Saying that i would most likely lower settings so i could use msaa instead.

oldestgregg · 9 Jun 2014 at 15:16

TheRealDeal said:
Some would rather A little blur over Jaggies. Fxaa does a pretty good job at getting rid of Jaggies.

Yes but for me,one of the benefits of PC gaming is how sharp the IQ is at bigger resolution and FXAA blurs everything all to hell. I would rather no AA at as FXAA makes it look like I'm running at a lower res

shankly1985 · 9 Jun 2014 at 15:18

Rusty0611 said:
No it's just that MSAA isn't a gameworks library so there is no impact. Perhaps AMD have not just optimised as well as they can for FXAA in this game?

Fxaa optimised? Is no different to how sweetfx works you don't see that effecting performance.

TheRealDeal · 9 Jun 2014 at 15:20

oldestgregg said:
Yes but for me,one of the benefits of PC gaming is how sharp the IQ is at bigger resolution and FXAA blurs everything all to hell

Yea that's definitely a bonus on the pc and those with uber PC's can step it up again to ssaa. The thing is the majority of gamers don't have great systems so fxaa has it's place.

Gregster · 9 Jun 2014 at 15:29

TheRealDeal said:
That's the million dollar question tbh but either way it's suspicious to say the least especially on a feature that works well in every other game it's used in.

Well, let's have a look at how it copes for your GPU with FXAA on and max details.

Not a bad average and that is 1920x1200. I can't see what the fuss is to be honest. The game looks real good and some fantastic effects. It doesn't look like GameWorks is hindering you much there.

http://www.techspot.com/review/733-batman-arkham-origins-benchmarks/page2.html

Now let's take an older game and see how your 6870 copes.

Not so good but with FXAA on, it is acceptable for some.

Now back to where we was originally, what is going on here? Did nVidia pay off the Total War devs to gimp performance on AMD hardware? The top is a 660Ti and the bottom is a 7870.

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/860?vs=857

I wonder if Joel will do an investigation into it?

oldestgregg · 9 Jun 2014 at 15:29

TheRealDeal said:
Yea that's definitely a bonus on the pc and those with uber PC's can step it up again to ssaa. The thing is the majority of gamers don't have great systems so fxaa has it's place.

It does and thats one of the great things about pc, just for me I cant bare it.

ubersonic · 9 Jun 2014 at 15:32

I may be voicing an odd opinion here, but does it really matter? yes the 660ti is pwning the 7870 with FXAA enabled due to something screwy with the FXAA, but both are playable, and are also playable with MSAA, so who the hell would bother with FXAA anyway? The difference although real does seem a tad irrelevant to me, especially as it apparently has nothing to do with Gameworks.

TheRealDeal · 9 Jun 2014 at 15:35

Gregster said:
Well, let's have a look at how it copes for your GPU with FXAA on and max details.

Not a bad average and that is 1920x1200. I can't see what the fuss is to be honest. The game looks real good and some fantastic effects. It doesn't look like GameWorks is hindering you much there.

http://www.techspot.com/review/733-batman-arkham-origins-benchmarks/page2.html

Now let's take an older game and see how your 6870 copes.

Not so good but with FXAA on, it is acceptable for some.

Now back to where we was originally, what is going on here? Did nVidia pay off the Total War devs to gimp performance on AMD hardware? The top is a 660Ti and the bottom is a 7870.

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/860?vs=857

I wonder if Joel will do an investigation into it?

I have not looked into total war but a gtx560ti gets 63 in Batman with fxaa and my 6870 should be somewhere around there considering that and the gtx470 were around its performance.

In this review Total war runs fine.

http://www.hardwareheaven.com/reviews/1452/pg9/nvidia-geforce-gtx-680-kepler-graphics-card-review-shogun-2-total-war.html

Gregster · 9 Jun 2014 at 15:42

ubersonic said:
I may be voicing an odd opinion here, but does it really matter? yes the 660ti is pwning the 7870 with FXAA enabled due to something screwy with the FXAA, but both are playable, and are also playable with MSAA, so who the hell would bother with FXAA anyway? The difference although real does seem a tad irrelevant to me, especially as it apparently has nothing to do with Gameworks.

I have said the exact same thing time and again but that then gets away from conspiracies, so it gets ignored.

TheRealDeal · 9 Jun 2014 at 15:50

ubersonic said:
I may be voicing an odd opinion here, but does it really matter? yes the 660ti is pwning the 7870 with FXAA enabled due to something screwy with the FXAA, but both are playable, and are also playable with MSAA, so who the hell would bother with FXAA anyway? The difference although real does seem a tad irrelevant to me, especially as it apparently has nothing to do with Gameworks.

I think it's pretty obvious why it matters. Greg posted showing my 6870 gets an average of 46 so Minumum added in might make it just about unplayable for me. A similar performing Nvidia 560ti is averaging 63 which would definitely be playable. Yea it matters and that's why. My card is 45% slower than it's Nvidia counter part. Believe it or not there are cards out there slower than my card on the amd side which could have been doing with the added performance as well.

Gregster · 9 Jun 2014 at 15:52

TheRealDeal said:
I think it's pretty obvious why it matters. Greg posted showing my 6870 gets an average of 46 so Minumum added in might make it just about unplayable for me. A similar performing Nvidia 560ti is averaging 74 which would definitely be playable. Yea it matters and that's why. My card is 60% slower than it's Nvidia counter part.

Do you play Batman Arkham Origins or even own it?

TheRealDeal · 9 Jun 2014 at 15:58

Gregster said:
Do you play Batman Arkham Origins or even own it?

No i don't own it.

Rusty0611 · 9 Jun 2014 at 16:02

Why does it matter what other cards are getting? You can't tell me that you seriously sit there pondering what FPS a 560Ti is getting as you're flying through Arkham City?

Give me a break

Gregster · 9 Jun 2014 at 16:03

Right - Moving on. Here is some game play from The Division. Looking very good to me