*** 970 drivers are just plain bad since release, never had driver issues with my 280X had loads with my 660 be4 that however. Nv must have the same PR as apple to keep this myth goin. Thinkin of selling my 970 while prices are high and gettin 380x day1.
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NVIDIA GeForce GTX 960 Gaming Performance Previewed – AMD Calls It “Unappealing”, On Par With A Rade
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*** 970 drivers are just plain bad since release, never had driver issues with my 280X had loads with my 660 be4 that however. Nv must have the same PR as apple to keep this myth goin. Thinkin of selling my 970 while prices are high and gettin 380x day1.
If the 660-960 difference is regular **** then the HD7970-R290 difference was chicken ****
As it should, but barely in this case.
No consumer wants to see the top tier pricing strategy (where people pay 40% more for 10% performance - ie bleeding edge tax) trickle its way down the product stack into what was the generally reasonable bang for buck range.
I agree with Cat, the progression over time of performance you can buy for your money has stagnated in the £120-180 price range.
As to gaming I have not done much for a couple of years but I used to spend 50 or 60 hours a week or more on it. The reason I mention this is when I played a lot it did not really matter what graphics card I was using as the games were the most important bit and sometimes I was using a card far worse than the 960. I sometimes think people get too hung up on the hardware at the expense of the games.
This is very true.
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Our very own AMDMatt posted something in another thread which I found quite relevant to the 960's position in the market.
Not arguing with any of what he said because its all quite true, but the telling bit is ' This is a card that is four years old now' well yes, just goes to show what a sorry state the midrange section of the graphics card market is in for both camps.
And before anyone chimes in that Nvidia could have done better with the 960, well yes they could have, just as AMD could have with the 285. both camps are just as bad as each other in that regard.
Oh well maybe a die shrink and better performance next year.
The R9 280/7950 is not only cheaper, it's faster, it has more memory, it has a wider bit bus. It's faster at 1080P and much faster at higher resolutions. This is a card that is four years old now and it still stands up to the competition even today.
Not arguing with any of what he said because its all quite true, but the telling bit is ' This is a card that is four years old now' well yes, just goes to show what a sorry state the midrange section of the graphics card market is in for both camps.
And before anyone chimes in that Nvidia could have done better with the 960, well yes they could have, just as AMD could have with the 285. both camps are just as bad as each other in that regard.
Oh well maybe a die shrink and better performance next year.
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But the thing is that the 285 was disppointing already 4 months ago; 4 months later, the 960 is launch is even more disappointing considering the time has passed. With that said, I don't think 960 will have problem shifting, as there are so many people that would buy Nvidia only, without even looking at the spec and performance or compare them AMD's offering at all.And before anyone chimes in that Nvidia could have done better with the 960, well yes they could have, just as AMD could have with the 285. both camps are just as bad as each other in that regard.
Oh well maybe a die shrink and better performance next year.
Nvidia is doing EXTREMELY well business strategy wise:
a) release flagship card that's faster than AMD's flagship- charge big premium for it and people would still be happy to pay
b) anything below flagship, it is a race to the bottom. The graphic performance increase we natural get in the pass is no more...they are being changed to model/approach of "maintaining the performance as before" (not even that, as the 960 is slower than the 770 at the same price pint), and sell these new cheaper to produce cards by brand name and "efficiency" alone, and they will still outsell AMD's card 4 to 1 if they were priced similarly or little higher.
c) Flagship card no longer get "double the vram" by simply paying more for it...if anyone want double the memory, they MUST get the Titan.
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http://www.overclockers.co.uk/LP/nvidia-dyinglight-promo.php
Just spotted this referencing '965M'; is this a mobile/laptop version of the 960? Or just preempting the release of a 965 card which we kind of already knew?
Just spotted this referencing '965M'; is this a mobile/laptop version of the 960? Or just preempting the release of a 965 card which we kind of already knew?
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This craps still alive and well i see
It looks that way. I'd also be kicking myself in the nuts if I'd paid silly money for a card that's on par with something released years ago
Money.. easily parted and all that I guess.
It looks that way. I'd also be kicking myself in the nuts if I'd paid silly money for a card that's on par with something released years ago
Money.. easily parted and all that I guess.
Cant have logic told to a nvidia buyer.
the 960 is a budget card and should be half the price.
as soon the user does an upgrade in monitor and the 2560x1440 simply isnt playable and today really common upgrade along with 4k.
suddenly you have to buy a new card also.
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How does the GTX 960 with 128bit memory compare to my old GTX 285 with 512bit memory?
It doesn't, as for a start your 285 had/has a 256 bit bus.
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That would be a gtx 285 greg not an AMD 285.
http://www.geforce.com/hardware/desktop-gpus/geforce-gtx-285/specifications
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That would be a gtx 285 greg not an AMD 285.
http://www.geforce.com/hardware/desktop-gpus/geforce-gtx-285/specifications
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Ahhh my bad, I have been arguing all day over the damned R9 285 and had it in my head
Apologies.The 960 uses better memory compression techinques over the 285 and gives a bandwidth of 149GB/s, which is pretty damned good for such a lowly bus. For 1080P gaming, that will cope pretty well and I am hoping to grab one in the next few weeks to see how it actually copes
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lol Greg you should feel ashamed. Even I recall the GTX285 was on 512-bit on the top if my head (though there were only on GDDR3 memory)Ahhh my bad, I have been arguing all day over the damned R9 285 and had it in my head
Your anti-AMD mindset must be clouding your vision
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lol Greg you should feel ashamed. Even I recall the GTX285 was on 512-bit on the top if my head (though there were only on GDDR3 memory)
Your anti-AMD mindset must be clouding your vision
I hold my head and shoulders low and head off to the naughty corner
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If the 660-960 difference is regular **** then the HD7970-R290 difference was chicken ****
At least the r9 290 was cheaper relative to the hd7970 at release and soon had game bundles. The gtx960 costs more than my gtx660 did and comes with no games. The £190 gtx780 ocuk were doing two months had a game too